{"id":3087,"date":"2018-03-19T19:46:32","date_gmt":"2018-03-19T19:46:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/?p=3087"},"modified":"2018-03-19T19:46:32","modified_gmt":"2018-03-19T19:46:32","slug":"sinprezento-or-memprezento-self-as-prefix-in-esperanto","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/sinprezento-or-memprezento-self-as-prefix-in-esperanto\/","title":{"rendered":"Sinprezento or Memprezento? Self-as-prefix in Esperanto"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Just when I thought that I had said everything I could say about <em>si<\/em> and <em>mem<\/em> &#8211; the two words for &#8220;self&#8221; in Esperanto, a question came in about using <em>sin<\/em>&#8211; and <em>mem<\/em>&#8211; as prefixes. As a result, we&#8217;re continuing the series. This is the third part (see also: <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/himself-mem-or-si\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">part 1<\/a>\u00a0and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/a-deeper-look-at-mem-and-si-esperanto-words-for-self-part-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">part 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n<h2>Sinprezento or Memprezento?<\/h2>\n<div id=\"attachment_3088\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3088\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-3088\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z-350x263.jpg\" alt=\"Is introduction a sinprezento or a memprezento? Photo credit SamLitvin on Flickr\" width=\"350\" height=\"263\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z-350x263.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-3088\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Is introduction a sinprezento or a memprezento?\u00a0 \u00a0 Photo credit SamLitvin on Flickr<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Not only can<em> si(n)<\/em> and <em>mem<\/em> be used as free-standing words, they can be used as prefixes &#8211; sometimes with a similar meaning. The Esperanto word for &#8220;introduction&#8221; (as in a few words you might write or say to let people know who you are) can be translated to something like &#8220;self-presentation&#8221; &#8211; but is it <em>sinprezento<\/em> or <em>memprezento<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>I chose this word as my first example because it seems to be the most difficult one. You see fluent speakers using both terms, sometimes interchangeably in the same text. I do believe there is a right answer here, but it would be easier to start with some less troublesome examples.<\/p>\n<h2>Clear examples for <em>mem<\/em>&#8211;<\/h2>\n<p>One common meaning for <em>mem<\/em> used this way is to show that something happened with no outside help. This gives us words like\u00a0\u00a0<em>memvole<\/em> (by one&#8217;s own will), <em>meminstruito<\/em> (a self-taught person), <em>memlerninto<\/em> (someone who learned with no outside help), <em>memdisciplino<\/em> (nobody else is going to do it for you), <em>memstara<\/em> (independent &#8211; literally self-standing), <em>memevidenta<\/em> (self-evident).<\/p>\n<p>Another common usage\u00a0 is &#8220;confidence&#8221; or <em>memfido<\/em>. That is, trust in yourself.<\/p>\n<h2><em>Sin<\/em>&#8211; as prefix<\/h2>\n<p>Take an expression like <em>doni sin <\/em>(to give (of ) oneself). A person who does this can be said to be <em>sindona<\/em> (generous.) The prefix <em>sin<\/em>&#8211; in this case represents the object of the verb <em>doni<\/em>. (Note, when used this way, we always use\u00a0<em>si<\/em>. We never say something like &#8220;<em>Vi estas tre vindona<\/em>&#8220;. It&#8217;s always <em>sindona<\/em>.)<\/p>\n<p><em>Singarda<\/em> (defensive) is another clear example where we use <em>sin<\/em>&#8211; and not <em>mem<\/em>-. We are guarding something &#8211; and that something is ourselves. We never say <em>memgarda<\/em> because that would imply that the thing is guarding all on its own. (Of course, now that I&#8217;ve said this, I found one author who does use this word; he&#8217;s lucky I&#8217;m not his editor!)<\/p>\n<h2>Fuzzier cases<\/h2>\n<p>In some cases you can use either prefix without really changing the meaning. The word for suicide (from Latin &#8220;self-killing&#8221;) can be either <em>memmortigo<\/em> or <em>sinmortigo<\/em>. (<em>Sinmortigo<\/em> seems more logical to me and avoids the double-m, but <em>memmortigo<\/em> seems slightly more common.) Generally if it can go either way, it&#8217;s better to use <em>sin<\/em>&#8211; especially if there&#8217;s any chance of there being confusion with the other meaning of <em>mem<\/em>&#8211; (happening with no outside help.)<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the <em>memtaksilo<\/em> (self-evaluation form) such as one might do before selecting a level at <a href=\"http:\/\/nask.esperanto-usa.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">NASK<\/a> or on a <a href=\"https:\/\/edukado.net\/ekzamenoj\/ker\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">KER exam.<\/a> One could argue that you are evaluating someone, that is, yourself (<em>sin taksi<\/em>) but more likely you would say that the evaluation is happening with no outside help. Either way, we might still prefer\u00a0<em>memtaksilo<\/em> to avoid a collision with <em>sintakso<\/em> (syntax.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>So, what about &#8220;introduction&#8221;?<\/h2>\n<p>My first piece of advice is if you hear someone say one and you&#8217;re expecting the other, keep calm and keep the conversation going. That said, my preference is for <strong><em>sinprezento<\/em><\/strong>. It&#8217;s far more common, and makes more sense logically.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<img width=\"350\" height=\"263\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z-350x263.jpg\" class=\"attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"Is introduction a sinprezento or a memprezento? Photo credit SamLitvin on Flickr\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z-350x263.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/esperanto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/19\/2018\/03\/1337061484_b0e2c13822_z.jpg 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><p>Just when I thought that I had said everything I could say about si and mem &#8211; the two words for &#8220;self&#8221; in Esperanto, a question came in about using sin&#8211; and mem&#8211; as prefixes. As a result, we&#8217;re continuing the series. This is the third part (see also: part 1\u00a0and part 2). 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