{"id":10311,"date":"2018-03-15T20:10:48","date_gmt":"2018-03-15T20:10:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=10311"},"modified":"2018-05-26T11:02:43","modified_gmt":"2018-05-26T11:02:43","slug":"corned-beef-mairteoil-shaillte-or-corned-pork-muiceoil-shaillte-ce-acu-is-fearr-leat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/corned-beef-mairteoil-shaillte-or-corned-pork-muiceoil-shaillte-ce-acu-is-fearr-leat\/","title":{"rendered":"Corned beef (mairteoil shaillte) or corned pork (muiceoil shaillte) — c\u00e9 acu is fearr leat?"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

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muc:<\/strong> http:\/\/www.publicdomainfiles.com\/show_file.php?id=13548644416799<\/a><\/em>
Public Domain Clip Art Image: Pig silhouette, By: laobc, Courtesy: Open Clip Art Library; b\u00f3:<\/strong><\/em>
https:\/\/www.clker.com\/clipart-3134.html<\/a>, cow silhouette 3 clip art, shared by ocal, 11-13-2007; cow silhouette 3 clip art, shared by ocal, 11-13-2007; lip\u00e9id Ghaeilge le R\u00f3isl\u00edn, 2018<\/em><\/p><\/div>\n

The more I read about “mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>” (corned beef), the more I end up reading about “muiceoil shaillte<\/strong>” (corned pork)!<\/p>\n

There seems to be endless debate as to whether “corned beef and cabbage” is actually Irish, or is it Irish-American?\u00a0 Also, some people say that “muiceoil shaillte<\/strong>” is more traditionally Irish than “mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>“?\u00a0 Do bhar\u00failse<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

This also brings up a question about ethnic foodways in general — does everyone have to eat the alleged national or regional dish, just because it’s labeled as being local or ethnic?\u00a0 Can corned beef be “Irish,” even if many Irish people say they have never eaten it, and that only Irish-Americans eat it?\u00a0 And what about Irish-Canadians?<\/p>\n

So far I haven’t really seen much input from Canadians in this debate, although I would love to hear from some of the Ceanadaigh<\/strong> reading this.\u00a0 The Jiggs dinner (corned beef and cabbage), of course, is traditional in “Talamh an \u00c9isc<\/strong>” but that only represents a fraction of the Canadian population (daonra Thalamh an<\/strong> \u00c9isc agus Labradar:\u00a0<\/strong>ca. 529,000 san ioml\u00e1n<\/strong> vs. Ceanada ina ioml\u00e1ine:\u00a0<\/strong>ca. 36,000,000, 2016).<\/p>\n

While I’m not going to try to answer the underlying questions, I would like show a few examples of “mairteoil<\/strong>” and “muiceoil<\/strong>” in context, including the various forms of the words.\u00a0 \u00a0And it would be great to hear from any readers.\u00a0 Which do you like better: corned beef or corned pork?\u00a0 Or both equally, or neither?\u00a0 M\u00e1s mian leat freagairt i nGaeilge, seo an cheist — c\u00e9 acu is fearr leat, mairteoil shaillte n\u00f3 muiceoil shaillte?\u00a0 N\u00f3 an d\u00e1 cheann acu go cothrom, n\u00f3 an \u00e9 nach maith leat ceachtar acu<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

Anyway, here are the grammatical forms.\u00a0 Unlike the root word, “feoil<\/strong>” (meat), which does have a plural (feolta<\/strong>), I doubt that plural forms of “mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>” or “muiceoil shaillte<\/strong>” are used much, if ever.\u00a0 True, there is the word “beeves,” for “beef” in general, but I’ve never heard of “corned beeves” and doubt that even “beeves” is used much these days.\u00a0 So that leaves us with two basic forms each:<\/p>\n

an mhairteoil shaillte<\/strong>, the corned beef<\/p>\n

na mairteola saillte<\/strong>, of the corned beef<\/p>\n

ceist shamplach: An maith leat blas na mairteola saillte sin?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Notice that while “b\u00f3<\/strong>” (seen in the graphic above) means “cow,” it’s not used to form the word “mairteoil<\/strong>,” which is a combination of “mart<\/strong>” (a carcass of beef) and “feoil<\/strong>” (meat).\u00a0 In the plural, “mairt<\/strong>” can mean “beef cattle” or “carcasses of beef.”\u00a0 “Muiceoil,<\/strong>” on the other hand, shows a clear relation to the animal it comes from, “muc<\/strong>” (pig), again as seen above.<\/p>\n

an mhuiceoil shaillte<\/strong>, the corned pork (may also be translated as “the bacon”)<\/p>\n

na muiceola saillte<\/strong>, of the corned pork<\/p>\n

ceist shamplach:\u00a0 An s\u00edleann t\u00fa go bhfuil blas na muiceola saillte n\u00edos fearr n\u00e1 blas na mairteola saillte<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

If you want a little more background on the Irishness (or not) of mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>, there are some links (naisc<\/strong>) to the most recent posts in this blog listed below, and there’s quite a lot to be found on the Internet, especially if you search for “corned beef” and “corned pork,” if you search in English<\/em>, that is.\u00a0 Searching in Irish<\/em> for “muiceoil shaillte,<\/strong>” however, only gave me a total of 16 hits in a Google search, and some of those are repetitions or gobbledygook. \u00a0With lenition, as in “an mhuiceoil shaillte<\/strong>,” I got no hits.\u00a0 “Mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>” fares noticeably better, but not anything like the hits for English (hits in Irish: “mairteoil shaillte<\/strong>,” 59; “mhairteoil shaillte<\/strong>,” 49).\u00a0 So what are the counts in English for “corned beef” as opposed to “corned pork”?<\/p>\n

Corned beef: \u00a015,500,000 (!)<\/p>\n

Corned pork: 124,000 (still lagging way behind “corned beef”)<\/p>\n

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding the background of the St. Patrick’s Day “corned beef and cabbage” dinner, but at least we’re off to an interesting start.\u00a0 B’fh\u00e9idir n\u00edos m\u00f3 n\u00edos moille. SGF\u00a0 – R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

Iarbhlagmh\u00edreanna ar na cine\u00e1lacha bia a lua\u00edodh sa bhlagmh\u00edr seo:<\/strong><\/p>\n

C\u00e9n f\u00e1th a dtugtar \u2018corned beef\u2019 ar mhairteoil shaillte muna bhfuil \u2018corn\u2019 ar bith i gceist? Agus cad a itheann tusa i gcomhair \u2018St. Patrick\u2019s Day\u2019?<\/a>Posted by\u00a0r\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/a>\u00a0on Mar 7, 2018<\/span><\/p>\n

Irish Vocab Round-up for the \u201cCorned Beef\u201d (mairteoil shaillte) Blogpost<\/a>Posted by\u00a0r\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/a>\u00a0on Mar 12, 2018<\/span><\/p>\n

Tags: beef, corned, day, dinner, Jiggs, mairteoil, mhairteoil, muiceoil, mhuiceoil, pork, St. Patrick’s, shaillte, saillte, cabbage, muc, mhuc, b\u00f3, bh\u00f3<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\"\"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) The more I read about “mairteoil shaillte” (corned beef), the more I end up reading about “muiceoil shaillte” (corned pork)! There seems to be endless debate as to whether “corned beef and cabbage” is actually Irish, or is it Irish-American?\u00a0 Also, some people say that “muiceoil shaillte” is more traditionally Irish than “mairteoil…<\/p>\n

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