{"id":2064,"date":"2012-03-20T18:16:01","date_gmt":"2012-03-20T18:16:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=2064"},"modified":"2012-03-21T18:32:04","modified_gmt":"2012-03-21T18:32:04","slug":"glincini-agus-na-gloini-as-a-nolann-muid-iad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/glincini-agus-na-gloini-as-a-nolann-muid-iad\/","title":{"rendered":"Glinc\u00edn\u00ed agus na Gloin\u00ed as a n\u00d3lann Muid Iad"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Thinking about \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d in the last blog got me wondering \u2013 what exactly is \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d a diminutive of?\u00a0 And how would one say \u201cshot glass\u201d in Irish?<\/p>\n

So, ceist a haon ar dtosach<\/strong>, then we\u2019ll see if there\u2019s even sp\u00e1s go leor<\/strong> for ceist a d\u00f3<\/strong> in this blog, or if it will have to be \u00e1bhar blag eile<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

The diminutive suffix \u201c-\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d that we see in \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d can be attached to a wide variety of nouns, and its anglicized form (\u201c-een\u201d) is sometimes used in Irish English.\u00a0 Well known Irish examples include S\u00e9amais\u00edn, b\u00e1id\u00edn, capaill\u00edn, teach\u00edn<\/strong> (no vowel harmony ach sin sc\u00e9al eile<\/strong>), and tig\u00edn<\/strong> (also derived from teach<\/strong>\/house but based more closely on the old spellings of the genitive and dative forms, \u201ctighe<\/strong>\u201d and \u201ctigh<\/strong>,\u201d and with<\/em> vowel harmony).\u00a0 In Irish-English we have words like \u201chouseen,\u201d \u201csupeen,\u201d and \u201cMyles na gCopaleen,\u201d<\/p>\n

But what is \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d derived from?\u00a0 Can\u2019t say I\u2019ve found it specified anywhere and I\u2019ve found nothing that would actually be \u201c*glinc<\/strong>\u201d or even a vowel-broadened (again hypothetical-so-marked-with-the-asterisk) form, possibly \u201c*glionc<\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 But as we can see from \u201cteach\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d and \u201ctig\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d above, diminutive suffixes can cause considerable change even to the root word.\u00a0 So my hunch is that \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d is from one or both of the Irish words for \u201cclink.\u201d<\/p>\n

The two main ways to say \u201cclink\u201d in Irish are \u201ccling<\/strong>\u201d and \u201cglige\u00e1il<\/strong>.\u201d<\/p>\n

As nouns, their forms are:<\/p>\n

Cling, an chling, clinge<\/strong> [KLING-yuh], na clinge, clingeacha, na clingeacha, na gclingeacha<\/strong><\/p>\n

Glige\u00e1il, an ghlige\u00e1il, glige\u00e1la, na glige\u00e1la<\/strong>.\u00a0 This type of noun wouldn\u2019t typically have a plural.<\/p>\n

As verbs, first intransitively, we have \u201ccling\u201d again, clingim\/clingeann, chling, clingfidh, chlingfeadh, srl.<\/strong>, and \u201cglige\u00e1il<\/strong>\u201d (glige\u00e1laim\/glige\u00e1lann, ghlige\u00e1il, glige\u00e1lfaidh, glige\u00e1lfadh, srl.<\/strong>)<\/p>\n

Hmmm, I wonder if the 1st<\/sup>-person form can actually apply, since it means \u201cI clink\u201d reflexively.\u00a0 In other words, the speaker is also the clinker.\u00a0 I guess it would work if the glass itself were singing or speaking, and at least in the realm of cartoons, animation or general siabhr\u00e1nachta\u00ed<\/strong> (hallucinations) or r\u00e1mhaill\u00edochta\u00ed<\/strong> (ravings), that can certainly apply.\u00a0 As for r\u00e1mhaille<\/strong> (fancies, fanciful imaginings) in general, is \u00ed \u00c1ine (de chl\u00fa Mise \u00c1ine; l\u00e9itheoir an bhlag seo ise) saineola\u00ed na r\u00e1mhaille, agus n\u00e1 d\u00e9an dearmad ar a blagsa <\/strong>(http:\/\/ramhaille.blogspot.com\/<\/a>), le do thoil<\/strong>.\u00a0 If you leave mise m\u00e9 f\u00e9in<\/strong> to the r\u00e1mhaill\u00edocht<\/strong>, we might end up back with the eilifint\u00ed b\u00e1ndearga<\/strong> and luch\u00f3ga gorma<\/strong> previously discussed (23 M\u00e1rta 2011<\/strong>: https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/luchoga-gorma-eilifinti-bandearga-agus-jack-london-a-thiarcais\/<\/a>). Tortha\u00ed \u00f3l na nglinc\u00edn\u00ed<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

Anyway, back on topic, \u201cglige\u00e1il<\/strong>\u201d can be used with certain verbs as part of a transitive verb structure, where the speaker is \u201cclinking\u201d something, a glass, most likely.\u00a0 So we could have: d\u00e9anann siad glige\u00e1il, rinne s\u00e9 glige\u00e1il, srl.<\/strong> OR baineann s\u00e9 glige\u00e1il as na gloin\u00ed, bhain s\u00e9 glige\u00e1il as na gloin\u00ed, srl<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

As infinitives, we have \u201cclingeadh<\/strong>\u201d and \u201cglige\u00e1il<\/strong>\u201d (same ending yet again, \u201c-\u00e1il<\/strong>\u201d is pretty adaptable)<\/p>\n

So it seems to me that \u201cglige\u00e1il<\/strong>\u201d and \u201ccling<\/strong>\u201d may have morphed together to form the root of \u201cglinc\u00edn<\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 They seem to blend well sound-wise.\u00a0 Teoiric\u00ed eile \u00f3 dhuine ar bith<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

And lo and behold, this is already a blog\u2019s worth, d\u00e9arfainn<\/strong>, so the discussion of shot glasses will have to wait tamaill\u00edn eile<\/strong>.\u00a0 Meanwhile, can I get away with saying (literally translating, as you probably guessed from this apologetic tone), \u201cSeo l\u00e1ib<\/strong> (or \u2018lathach<\/strong>\u2019 or \u2018pluda<\/strong>\u2019 or \u2018puiteach<\/strong>\u2019 or \u2018cl\u00e1bar<\/strong>\u2019 or \u2018draoib<\/strong>\u2019) i do sh\u00fail<\/strong>!\u201d<\/p>\n

In case you didn\u2019t get that last bit, those are all words for \u201cmud\u201d in Irish.\u00a0 Why so many?\u00a0 <shoulder shrug>\u00a0 That question will have to be answered by a peideola\u00ed<\/strong>, that is, a soil scientist (from Greek pedo\/pedon<\/em>, soil, in case you were wondering).\u00a0 And that peideola\u00ed<\/strong> would probably refer to a focleola\u00ed<\/strong> (philologist) for the more metaphorical possibilities of \u201cmud\u201d, which would include \u201cdroch-chl\u00fa<\/strong>\u201d (a bad reputation) and \u201caithis<\/strong>\u201d (slur, reproach).\u00a0 So, \u00f3n leacht geal \u00f3mrach so-\u00f3lta a n-\u00f3lann muid glinc\u00edn\u00ed de go ti\u00fas, raimhre, agus draoibe\u00e1ilteacht na l\u00e1ibe (draoibe, srl.), seo daoibh blag amh\u00e1in eile.\u00a0 SGF, R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

N\u00f3ta\u00ed: maidir le <\/strong>\u201cmud,\u201d seo cialla eile na bhfocal sin thuas<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

Cl\u00e1bar<\/strong>, mud, mire, muck, dirt, filth (as opposed to, but perhaps distantly related to, \u201cclabar<\/strong>\u201d with a short \u201ca,\u201d which is sour, thick milk, as in \u201cbainne clabair<\/strong>,\u201d bonnyclabber)<\/p>\n

Draoib<\/strong>, mud, mire, scum<\/p>\n

L\u00e1ib<\/strong>, mud, mire, mould (US: mold, but in the pedologic sense of \u201cloose friable earth,\u201d as in \u201cto lie a-mouldering\u201d)<\/p>\n

Lathach<\/strong>, mud, mire.\u00a0 Agus<\/strong> anns a\u2019 Gh\u00e0idhlig<\/em>: puddle, swampy place, soft clay on the seashore, et al., m\u00e1 chuid\u00edonn s\u00e9 sin<\/strong><\/p>\n

Pluda<\/strong>: puddle (a puddle of nice clear clean water more likely being a \u201cloch\u00e1in\u00edn<\/strong>\u201d), mud, thin mud (!), a pool of standing water (Ah! The spectrum unfolds!\u00a0 )<\/p>\n

Puiteach<\/strong>, mud, mire, muck, boggy ground, soft boggy matter, a marshy spot, or, presumably in a specific context, a soft, well-ripened blackberry (the edible kind, ar nd\u00f3igh<\/strong>, n\u00ed an ceann tr\u00e1dmharc\u00e1ilte<\/strong>)<\/p>\n

So what\u2019s the difference between \u201cmud\u201d and \u201cmire,\u201d anyway?\u00a0 Bhuel, sin \u00e1bhar blag eile freisin.\u00a0 Agus an t-idirdheal\u00fa i nGaeilge, m\u00e1s ann d\u00f3.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) Thinking about \u201cglinc\u00edn\u201d in the last blog got me wondering \u2013 what exactly is \u201cglinc\u00edn\u201d a diminutive of?\u00a0 And how would one say \u201cshot glass\u201d in Irish? So, ceist a haon ar dtosach, then we\u2019ll see if there\u2019s even sp\u00e1s go leor for ceist a d\u00f3 in this blog, or if it will…<\/p>\n

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