{"id":3151,"date":"2012-09-03T13:27:38","date_gmt":"2012-09-03T13:27:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=3151"},"modified":"2013-05-02T17:32:03","modified_gmt":"2013-05-02T17:32:03","slug":"an-raineach-ag-seitreach-the-hinny-hinnying","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/an-raineach-ag-seitreach-the-hinny-hinnying\/","title":{"rendered":"An R\u00e1ineach ag Seitreach (The Hinny Hinnying)"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

We’ve had quite a run of exploring vocabulary related to horses in recent blogs, but, believe me, the topic is far from exhausted.\u00a0 \u00a0So today’s take is about “r\u00e1inigh<\/strong>” and the sound they make (seitreach<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

And while “T\u00e1 an r\u00e1ineach ag seitreach<\/strong>” does have an intriguing ring to it, I have to admit that “hinnies hinnying” does have a certain alliterative “je ne sais quoi<\/em>” that the voiceless velar fricatives of “r\u00e1ineach<\/strong>” and “seitreach<\/strong>” don’t quite convey.<\/p>\n

At this point, some of you might be wondering what a “hinny” is, in particular, a “hinny” in the context of animal husbandry.\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0I say that because there are other non-horse-related meanings of “hinny,” such as “hinny” meaning “darling,” especially in northern England and Lowland Scotland (“ma bonny hinny,” etc.).\u00a0 \u00a0And then there’s always urbandictionary.com, which consistently comes up with the edgiest definitions for anything.<\/p>\n

A “hinny” is a cross between a female (or “jenny”) donkey and a male horse (a stallion).\u00a0 They don’t seem to be bred nearly as often as mules, which are a cross between a male (or “jack”) donkey and a female horse (mare).\u00a0 \u00a0However, once you start exploring the cyberworld (and I’m sure the real world, but the cyber one is at my fingertips), you’ll find all kinds of discussion of both hinnies and mules.\u00a0\u00a0 I had to pull myself away from “Share your mule\/hinny story” (on ebay, for some reason I can’t figure out – the hinnies don’t appear to be for sale on that page, but it was: http:\/\/forums.ebay.com\/db1\/topic\/Countryrural-Style\/Kiss-My-Hinny\/510021659<\/a>).\u00a0 Anyway, the discussions there range from length of ears (typically shorter than a donkey’s, longer than a horse’s), tail length, foot shape (“dainty little feet, but mule-like”), and of course, as is generally true for mules and hinnies both, sterility.\u00a0 And of course there are many such pages and discussions all over the Internet.<\/p>\n

Depending on what variety of English you speak, you might also refer to a “hinny” as a “jennet.”\u00a0 However, the more I look for examples of “jennet” in Irish, I find it defined or used as a “capaill\u00edn Sp\u00e1inneach<\/strong>” or some similar phrase (e.g. the Scottish Gaelic “each Sp\u00e0inteach<\/strong>“).\u00a0 So “jennet” means completely different things in different contexts, and I’ll have to save that blog for a rainy day.<\/p>\n

And what’s the Irish for “hinny”?\u00a0 As you probably picked out from the title of this blog, it’s “r\u00e1ineach<\/strong>” [RAWN-yukh, with that guttural\/throaty “kh” sound at the end, as in German “Buch<\/em>,” Yiddish “Chutzpah<\/em>,” or Welsh “Fach<\/em>” (or, for that matter “wisgi a chwrw<\/em>“)].<\/p>\n

Curiously, at least, to me, there are far fewer references to “r\u00e1ineach<\/strong>” online or in dictionaries than to “mi\u00fail<\/strong>” (mule). \u00a0\u00a0I guess it parallels their breeding status, maybe in fact, the same would be true for “hinny” vs. “mule.”\u00a0 “Hinny” doesn’t seem to have generated a lot of related words, and searches for it get a bit bogged down with “hinnies” as “sweethearts” and a surprising number of typos for Ginny Weasley (Hmm, ” ‘A Ginny, ma bonny hinny’ quotha Harry”?).\u00a0 On the other hand, “mule,” as a word, seems to be very well entrenched in English, even for the non-equestrian among us, so we recognize phrases like “pack-mule,” “mule-driver,” “muleteer,” and “mule-skinner” (also actually a “driver” of mules), as well as the related words like “mulish,” “mulishly,” and “mulishness,” citing the mule’s (and some people’s) behavior.\u00a0\u00a0 In Irish, there’s a whole slew (slua<\/strong>!) of words that refer to stubbornness (ceannd\u00e1nacht<\/strong>, etc.), n\u00ed nach ionadh<\/strong>, but, at least IMThF<\/strong>, Irish doesn’t typically base the word for “stubborn” on the actual word for mule, the way English does.\u00a0 And as Welsh also does, for that matter (mul<\/em>, a mule; mulaidd<\/em>, mulish or stubborn).\u00a0 \u00a0I’ve found a sort of obscure usage of “m\u00failleach<\/strong>” to mean “mulish” (i.e. stubborn), but it doesn’t seem to have persisted much in Modern Irish.<\/p>\n

And I don’t know if hinnies (r\u00e1inigh<\/strong>) are actually as notoriously “stobarn\u00e1ilte<\/strong>” as mules (mi\u00faileanna<\/strong>).\u00a0 If anyone has raised one, I’m sure all of us on the list would be interested to hear about it and any tendencies to be “ceannd\u00e1na<\/strong>.”<\/p>\n

If you do look up “r\u00e1ineach<\/strong>,” and get the plural “r\u00e1inigh<\/strong>,” be sure not to confuse the latter with the chance lookalike “r\u00e1inigh<\/strong>” (a verb meaning “arrive,” etc.).\u00a0 Remember, there are lots and lots of comhainmneacha<\/strong> in Irish, even more so when you get into dialect sources or older texts.<\/p>\n

As for the sound that hinnies or other equines make, the most basic word is “seitreach<\/strong>” [SHETCH-rukh, again with the voiceless velar fricative “kh” sound at the end].\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0It’s rarely conjugated like a ordinary verb these days.\u00a0 Mostly we say, “t\u00e1 s\u00e9 ag seitreach<\/strong>” or “d\u00e9anann s\u00e9 seitreach<\/strong>.”\u00a0 \u00a0It can mean “hinnying” (which is really just an alternate form of “whinnying”), “neighing,” and “snorting.”\u00a0 If we really want to get into the donkey sounds, though, we’d use “b\u00e9iceach<\/strong>”\u00a0 or “gr\u00e1ga\u00edl<\/strong>” (for braying).\u00a0 And that may also be a future blog.\u00a0 But this one is almost fada go leor<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Just one more point though.\u00a0 I’ve still been looking into “whickering” and “nickering” for horsey sounds, but so far I don’t see any distinctively Irish usage for these, separating them from “whinnying,” “hinnying,” and “neighing.”\u00a0 It’s often hard to really differentiate between similar terms, especially for animal noises.\u00a0 For example, “to neigh” as opposed to “to whinny” (or “to hinny”).\u00a0 Ben Jonson must have had some distinction in the sounds in mind though, when he wrote “He neigheth and hinnieth, all is hinnying sophistry.”\u00a0 Unless he was just repeating himself, for good measure.<\/p>\n

Anyway, to come full circle, the “r\u00e1ineach<\/strong>” could be “ag seitreach<\/strong>,” or as teideal an bhlag seo<\/strong> suggested, the “hinny” could be “hinnying.”\u00a0 Or “whinnying.”\u00a0 Or “neighing.”\u00a0 But I suppose that depending on how much of the “asal<\/strong>” (donkey) comes through in hinny or mule vocalizations, they could also be “ag b\u00e9iceach<\/strong>” or “ag gr\u00e1ga\u00edl<\/strong>.”\u00a0 And I haven’t even had time for “cuacha\u00edl<\/strong>” (whinnying, whining, speaking in a falsetto voice).\u00a0 \u00a0More than enough food for thought for an ch\u00e9ad bhlag eile<\/strong>.\u00a0 \u00a0But not without one more (hopefully informative) digression.<\/p>\n

With “cuacha\u00edl<\/strong>” in our toolbox, then, I’ll attempt a translation of the Ben Jonson line.\u00a0 Why, one might ask?\u00a0 Le haghaidh an chraic<\/strong>, and also, of course, as forbairt st\u00f3r focal<\/strong>.\u00a0 \u00a0Here goes:\u00a0 “Ag seitreach a labhra\u00edonn s\u00e9 agus is cuacha\u00edl a chuid cainte, n\u00edl i gcaint an chuachaire ach cuach-chailic\u00e9ireacht<\/strong>” (lit. “Neighing he speaks and whinnying is his talk, the speech of the incessant talker is simply whining captiousness”).<\/p>\n

Feedback welcome, especially from anyone who might happen to own one of these ceathairchosaigh<\/strong>!\u00a0 Or live close enough to one to be “i raon na gcluas<\/strong>” (in earshot).\u00a0 Sl\u00e1n go f\u00f3ill, R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) We’ve had quite a run of exploring vocabulary related to horses in recent blogs, but, believe me, the topic is far from exhausted.\u00a0 \u00a0So today’s take is about “r\u00e1inigh” and the sound they make (seitreach). And while “T\u00e1 an r\u00e1ineach ag seitreach” does have an intriguing ring to it, I have to admit…<\/p>\n

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