{"id":3783,"date":"2013-03-10T17:29:24","date_gmt":"2013-03-10T17:29:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=3783"},"modified":"2013-03-17T18:03:33","modified_gmt":"2013-03-17T18:03:33","slug":"deatach-dubh-deatach-ban-agus-papa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/deatach-dubh-deatach-ban-agus-papa\/","title":{"rendered":"Deatach Dubh, Deatach B\u00e1n … agus P\u00e1pa!"},"content":{"rendered":"
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An P\u00e1pa<\/p><\/div>\n

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/p>\n

The selection of a new pope gives us an interesting opportunity to look at some Irish vocabulary, in particular, the words for “smoke,” the colors “black” (dubh) and “white” (b\u00e1n), and, for good measure, “gray” (liath), and “conclave.”\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0And of course, the word for “pope,” which is “p\u00e1pa.”<\/p>\n

Let’s start with “deatach dubh” and ‘deatach b\u00e1n.”\u00a0 There are two main words for “smoke” in Irish, “deatach” and “toit.” \u00a0To some degree, the words are interchangeable, as we see in the two different versions of this proverb: \u00a0“An \u00e1it a mb\u00edonn toit, b\u00edonn tine,” or, “An \u00e1it a mb\u00edonn deatach, b\u00edonn tine.”\u00a0 Both mean “Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”<\/p>\n

There are some differences in usage between “deatach” and “toit,” though.\u00a0 For example, fish or meat will be “leasaithe le deatach” or “deataithe” (from the verb “deataigh”), as in “bag\u00fan deataithe” or “brad\u00e1n deataithe.”\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 “Toit,” on the other hand, is the basis for the word “toit\u00edn” (cigarette).\u00a0 Neither “toit” nor “deatach” is specifically related to the verb “to smoke,” as in smoking cigarettes or pipes or, for that matter, “h\u00faca\u00ed.”\u00a0 That verb is “caith” and it will warrant a bhlag f\u00e9in some day.<\/p>\n

At any rate, “deatach” is the word I found used for describing the smoke signals from an Vatac\u00e1in.\u00a0 That smoke can be “dubh” (black) or “b\u00e1n” (white).\u00a0 A curious situation happened in 2005, when the smoke turned out to be “liath” [LEE-uh].\u00a0 Apparently, the wet straw that was burned together with the paper ballots yielded an inconclusive gray, so the Vatican now includes the following ingredients to ensure the correct color:<\/p>\n

don dath dubh: s\u00e1rchl\u00f3r\u00e1it photaisiam, antraic\u00e9in, agus sulfar<\/p>\n

don dath b\u00e1n: cl\u00f3r\u00e1it photaisiam, lacht\u00f3s, agus rois\u00edn cl\u00f3rafoirm (NB that that’s “rois\u00edn,” resin, not “R\u00f3is\u00edn,” the girl’s name)<\/p>\n

Regarding the colors, “dubh” [duv OR doo] and “b\u00e1n” [bawn] for “black” and “white,” respectively, are very basic words in Irish, as one might expect.\u00a0 You may already know related words like the surname “Duffy,” originally written “\u00d3 Dubhthaigh” but now often written as “\u00d3 Dufaigh.”\u00a0 It means “black-haired person.”\u00a0 “B\u00e1n” you might recognize from “b\u00e1in\u00edn” (bawneen, lit. “little white thing”) , an undyed natural-colored wool, traditionally used for making waistcoats and other garments.\u00a0 This material is sometimes described as “flannel,” but it’s not the same as “flannel” as generally understood in the U.S., where “flannel” (a very soft fabric) is typically used for babies’ clothes, sheets, nightgowns, and pajamas.\u00a0 \u00a0“Liath” [LEE-uh] is the Irish word for “gray” and is used for most purposes (“gruaig liath,” “f\u00e9as\u00f3g liath,” and even “liath\u00e1bhar na hinchinne”) but, intriguingly, not for gray-colored horses and cows, which are described as “glas,” a word that usually means “green.”<\/p>\n

The Irish for “conclave” also presents an interesting situation.\u00a0 The phrase used is “comhthion\u00f3l\u00a0 cairdin\u00e9al,” lit. “assembly of cardinals.”\u00a0 I’d say this is more of an equivalent term than an exact translation.\u00a0 It doesn’t really capture the innuendo of the word “conclave,” which literally means a “locked place,” from “with key” (con clavis), i.e. locked or secret.<\/p>\n

The Irish for “key” is “eochair” and plays no role in the phrase “comhthion\u00f3l cairdin\u00e9al.”\u00a0 Nor is there any other part of the phrase that implies “r\u00fandacht” or “ceileatas,” which both mean “secrecy.”\u00a0 In various other languages, though, the word for “conclave” reflects the phrase’s origin:<\/p>\n

Portaing\u00e9ilis: conclave (conclave), chave (key)<\/p>\n

Sp\u00e1innis: c\u00f3nclave (conclave), llave, clave (key)<\/p>\n

Iod\u00e1ilis: conclave (conclave), chiave (key)<\/p>\n

Fraincis: conclave (conclave), cl\u00e9, clef (key)<\/p>\n

Many other languages simply adapt “conclave” to their spelling system, as in “Konklave,” “conclaf,” \u00a0and “conclaaf,” which are Gearm\u00e1inis, Breatnais, and Ollainis, respectively.<\/p>\n

As for “pope,” it’s well known that it’s based on one of the words for “father” as found in Latin, French, etc.\u00a0 The Irish word “p\u00e1pa” is straightforward enough, as are the related terms “p\u00e1pach” (papal) and “p\u00e1pacht” (papacy).\u00a0 However, most official terms designated as “papal” in English use the phrase “de chuid an Ph\u00e1pa” or just “an Ph\u00e1pa” (of the Pope), not the actual adjective.\u00a0 Examples include:<\/p>\n

leag\u00e1id an Ph\u00e1pa [LyAG-aw-idj un FAW-puh], papal legate<\/p>\n

toscaire an Ph\u00e1pa, papal envoy<\/p>\n

Nuintias an Ph\u00e1pa [NWIN-tchee-us un FAW-puh], Papal Nuncio<\/p>\n

bulla de chuid an Ph\u00e1pa, a papal bull<\/p>\n

Also regarding the word “p\u00e1pa,” remember that Irish uses the definite article with honorific titles, such as “An Docht\u00fair \u00d3 Murch\u00fa” or “An tUachtar\u00e1n \u00d3 hUiginn.”\u00a0 So we have “An P\u00e1pa” as in “An P\u00e1pa Eoin P\u00f3l” \u00a0and “An P\u00e1pa Pius,” to name just a few.\u00a0\u00a0 This definite article is used in all contexts except direct address, so for example we say “T\u00e1 an Docht\u00fair \u00d3 Murch\u00fa anseo” (“The” Dr. Murphy is here) but, in direct address, “A Dhocht\u00fair U\u00ed Mhurch\u00fa” (just “Dr. Murphy”).\u00a0 Not that we use the word “pope” in directly addressing the pope, should we find ourselves in that situation.\u00a0 In that case, the term is “A Naofacht” (Your Holiness, with “a” as the particle indicating direct address).<\/p>\n

It actually never occurred to me until now to check if Irish has any word along the lines of “papa” as such, as an affectionate form of “father.” \u00a0Apparently not, since I see “papa” sometimes “defined” as “deaide” or “daid,” but mostly “papa,” as such, doesn’t even show up in the Irish context.<\/p>\n

All of these can be traced back along the lines of Latin “pater” and Sanskrit “pitar-” and their Indo-European roots, of course, ach sin \u00e1bhar blag eile.\u00a0 Except to note some steppingstones along the way, like padre, babbo, and p\u00e8re.<\/p>\n

So, while the connection between the words “p\u00e1pa” and various words for “father” in different languages is quite well known, it’s interesting to note that “p\u00e1pa” is not particularly close to any of the usual words for “father” or “dad” in Irish, which include “athair,” “daid,” and various derivatives.\u00a0 In other words, the Irish word “p\u00e1pa,” like the Italian “papa” and the English “pope,” is closely aligned to the so-called “pa” family of words for “father.”\u00a0 Irish “athair,” in fact, is also in this family, but it lost the initial “p” sound (related to “pater” and “pitar-“) somewhere along the way, so the connection is not as obvious.<\/p>\n

The other main family of words for “father,” the so-called “atta” or “tata” family, includes the Irish words “Daid,” “Deaide,” and “Daid\u00ed,” which are less formal than “athair.” \u00a0\u00a0Other easily recognizable words for “father” in this side of the family are “dad” (B\u00e9arla, informal), “tad” (Breatnais), tat\u0103 (R\u00f3m\u00e1inis), and “atta,” in the now extinct Gotais.\u00a0 Even the languages that have the “atta” or “tata” root for “father” seem to use the “pa” root for “Pope,” logically enough.\u00a0 Examples include “pab” (Breatnais) and “pap\u0103” (R\u00f3m\u00e1inis).<\/p>\n

Irish and English both straddle the fence regarding the “pa” and “atta\/tata” vocabulary, since they have “athair” and “father” from the “pa” side and “dad” and “daid\/deaide\/daid\u00ed” from their “atta\/tata” roots.\u00a0 Either way, though, they follow the Latin precedent with “pope” and “p\u00e1pa” both based on the Latin “p\u0101pa.”<\/em><\/p>\n

Perhaps we’ll follow all this up soon with the Irish for “pontiff, ” “pontifical,” and “pontificate,” but meanwhile, there’s another “naomh”-related event coming up this month, which we will be sure to address.\u00a0 C\u00e9n naomh \u00e9 sin?\u00a0 Agus cad \u00ed an bhaint idir “naofacht” agus “naomh”?\u00a0 Stay tuned.\u00a0 SGF, R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/p>\n

Gluais: cl\u00f3r\u00e1it, chlorate; naofacht, holiness; s\u00e1rchl\u00f3r\u00e1it, perchlorate<\/p>\n

F\u00e1isc-eala\u00edn\u00a0\u00f3\u00a0http:\/\/openclipart.org\/detail\/18523<\/p>\n

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(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) The selection of a new pope gives us an interesting opportunity to look at some Irish vocabulary, in particular, the words for “smoke,” the colors “black” (dubh) and “white” (b\u00e1n), and, for good measure, “gray” (liath), and “conclave.”\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0And of course, the word for “pope,” which is “p\u00e1pa.” Let’s start with “deatach dubh”…<\/p>\n

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