{"id":38,"date":"2009-06-02T00:53:13","date_gmt":"2009-06-02T04:53:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=38"},"modified":"2009-06-02T00:53:13","modified_gmt":"2009-06-02T04:53:13","slug":"saying-where-you%e2%80%99re-from-%e2%80%9ci-ngaeilge%e2%80%9d","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/saying-where-you%e2%80%99re-from-%e2%80%9ci-ngaeilge%e2%80%9d\/","title":{"rendered":"Saying Where You\u2019re From \u201ci nGaeilge\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"

The terms \u201cGael-Mheirice\u00e1naigh,<\/strong>\u201d \u201cGael-Cheanadaigh,\u201d <\/strong>and \u201cGael-Astr\u00e1lach,\u201d <\/strong>discussed on May 28 and earlier, account for a large percentage of the Irish diaspora, outside the U.S.\u00a0 <\/span>Now to get more specific.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Two North American groups who could have many members wishing to identify themselves in Irish are the Nova Scotians and the Newfoundlanders. In each case, there is no one-word eitneainm<\/strong> (ethnonym) in Irish for the group the way there is in English (a Nova Scotian, a Newfoundlander). Nor is there a hyphenated version. A Nova Scotian is \u201cduine as Albain Nua\u201d <\/strong>and a Newfoundlander is \u201cduine as Talamh an \u00c9isc\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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For these two groups, the following structures would be likely\u2014and note that we\u2019re no longer saying, \u201cI am<\/em> an X,\u201d but \u201cI am from<\/em> X,\u201d as in \u201cIs as Albain Nua m\u00e9\u201d <\/strong>(I am from Nova Scotia) or \u201cIs as Talamh an \u00c9isc m\u00e9\u201d<\/strong> (I am from Newfoundland). This construction, \u201cI am from X,\u201d can be used whether or not the relevant place name has an Irish equivalent. Can you figure these out?\u00a0 <\/span>Answers are below, to build up the d\u00fashl\u00e1n<\/strong> (challenge).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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a)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Hav\u00e1\u00ed th\u00fa?\u00a0 <\/span>N\u00ed hea, is as Alasca m\u00e9.\u00a0 <\/span>T\u00e1 m\u00e9 i mo chadhc.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

b)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Alasca th\u00fa?\u00a0 <\/span>N\u00ed hea, is as Hav\u00e1\u00ed m\u00e9.\u00a0 <\/span>T\u00e1 sciorta h\u00fala orm.<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

c)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Washington th\u00fa?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as Washington m\u00e9.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

d)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Washington \u00f3 dh\u00fachas th\u00fa?\u00a0 <\/span>N\u00ed hea, is as Virginia Thuaidh \u00f3 dh\u00fachas m\u00e9.<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

e)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Nua-Gheirs\u00ed \u00e9 Bruce Springsteen?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as Nua-Gheirs\u00ed \u00e9 .\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

f)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as an mbaile \u201cSaorsheilbh\u201d \u00e9 Bruce Springsteen?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as \u201cSaorsheilbh\u201d \u00e9. <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

g)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Aachen \u00ed?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as Aachen \u00ed. <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

h)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Zelienople \u00ed?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as Zelienople \u00ed.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

i)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as Siceag\u00f3 \u00e9 Harrison Ford?\u00a0 <\/span>Sea, is as Siceag\u00f3 \u00e9.<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

j)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong>An as <\/span><\/strong>Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch th\u00fa? N\u00ed hea, n\u00ed as <\/span><\/strong><\/span>Llanfair PG m\u00e9. N\u00ed as an mBreatain Bheag m\u00e9. Is as an bPatag\u00f3in m\u00e9. T\u00e1 Breatnais agam mar sin.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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From these, you can see that some non-Irish places have traditional Irish names (Alasca, Hav\u00e1\u00ed, Nua-Gheirs\u00ed<\/strong>).\u00a0 <\/span>Most do not (Aachen, Zelienople, etc.), except for country names, almost all of which do have an Irish version and which will be \u00c1.B.E.<\/strong>\u00a0 <\/span>But regarding city names, states, provinces, etc., whether or not there is an Irish version depends on history, tradition, perhaps inherent translatability and perhaps the interest of a translator or local Irish-language group. I still don\u2019t see Siceag\u00f3<\/strong> listed in the normal Irish reference sources, but have seen it used fairly widely since around 1990 by Irish speakers from the area. \u201cWashington\u201d stays the same in Irish, seemingly a logical choice, since it comes from a surname. But, at least a few languages have adapted it to their own spelling systems (<\/span>Waszyngton<\/span><\/em> i b<\/strong><\/span>Polainnis; <\/span><\/strong>Va\u015dingtono<\/span><\/em> i Sprantais<\/strong>). It\u2019s a little hard to predict. I must confess to adapting \u201cSaorsheilbh,\u201d which means \u201cfreehold,\u201d for the town. And I imagine that if there are enough Irish speakers there, they\u2019re doing the same thing. As for Llanfair PG in Irish, I could translate it sometime, whirlpool, red cave, and all, but it would just be for the challenge, and maybe some practice with an tuiseal ginideach<\/strong> (the genitive case). It\u2019s more or less a foregone conclusion that there\u2019s no viable Irish equivalent.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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a)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Are you from Hawaii?\u00a0 <\/span>No, I\u2019m from Alaska.\u00a0 <\/span>I\u2019m in my kayak.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

b)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Are you from Alaska?\u00a0 <\/span>No, I\u2019m from Hawaii.\u00a0 <\/span>I\u2019m wearing a hula skirt.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

c)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Are you from Washington?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes, I am from Washington.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

d)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Are you from Washington originally?\u00a0 <\/span>No, I\u2019m from Northern Virginia originally.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

e)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Is Bruce Springsteen from New Jersey?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes,\u00a0he is\u00a0 from New Jersey.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

f)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Is Bruce Springsteen from the town of Freehold?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes, he is from Freehold.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

g)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Is she from Aachen?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes, she is from Aachen.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

h)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Is she from Zelienople?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes, she is from Zelienople.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

i)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Is Harrison Ford from Chicago?\u00a0 <\/span>Yes, he is from Chicago.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

j)<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span>Are you from Llanfair PG?\u00a0 <\/span>No, I\u2019m not from Llanfair PG\u00a0 <\/span>I\u2019m not from Wales.\u00a0 <\/span>I\u2019m from Patagonia.\u00a0<\/span>Therefore I know Welsh.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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And by the way, a tidbit overlooked in many books, but very useful and widely used: srl. = agus araile = <\/strong>etc. <\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Pronunciation tips:<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Talamh an \u00c9isc<\/span><\/strong>: TAHL-uv (TAHL-oo) un ayshk (lit. the land of the fish)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Nua-Gheirs\u00ed:<\/span><\/strong> NOO-uh-YER-shee (note the softened \u201cgh\u201d).\u00a0 <\/span>This is just one of three possible versions. \u00c1.B.E.<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

The terms \u201cGael-Mheirice\u00e1naigh,\u201d \u201cGael-Cheanadaigh,\u201d and \u201cGael-Astr\u00e1lach,\u201d discussed on May 28 and earlier, account for a large percentage of the Irish diaspora, outside the U.S.\u00a0 Now to get more specific. \u00a0 Two North American groups who could have many members wishing to identify themselves in Irish are the Nova Scotians and the Newfoundlanders. In each case…<\/p>\n

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