{"id":3864,"date":"2013-03-29T22:12:45","date_gmt":"2013-03-29T22:12:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=3864"},"modified":"2014-12-12T19:58:14","modified_gmt":"2014-12-12T19:58:14","slug":"aibhneacha-glas-no-uaine-rivers-greenglas-or-greenuaine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/aibhneacha-glas-no-uaine-rivers-greenglas-or-greenuaine\/","title":{"rendered":"Aibhneacha: Glas n\u00f3 Uaine? (Rivers: Green\/Glas or Green\/Uaine?)"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)\u00a0<\/strong>And now for the final part of our “glas vs. uaine<\/strong>” (green\/green) discussion, stemming from the St. Patrick’s Day discussions.\u00a0 Somehow it has turned into a mionsraith ad hoc<\/strong>, so I suppose I could have labeled each section (Cuid a hAon, Cuid a D\u00f3<\/strong>, and today, Cuid a Tr\u00ed<\/strong>).\u00a0 But I guess I’ll just leave it as tr\u00ed bhlag ar leith<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

What are the results\/hits (tortha\u00ed\/amais<\/strong>) for abhainn uaine vs. abhainn ghlas<\/strong> (with the plurals, “aibhneacha uaine<\/strong>” and “aibhneacha glasa<\/strong>” san \u00e1ireamh<\/strong>)<\/p>\n

1) abhainn uaine<\/strong> [OW-in OO-in-yuh, with the “ow” either as in “bow-wow” OR “bow-tie,” since both vowel sounds exist for “abh-“], a green river (dyed): \u00a020 amas<\/strong>\/hits (with duplicates eliminated).\u00a0 Most refer to the actual Scottish river, Abhainn Uaine<\/em> and a few refer back to this blog (Hur\u00e1!<\/strong>), discussing the dyeing of rivers.\u00a0 It actually looks like there are a couple of rivers called “Uaine<\/em>” in Scotland, ach ainmneacha aibhneacha na hAlban, sin <\/strong>definitely \u00e1bhar blag eile<\/strong>!<\/p>\n

2) abhainn ghlas<\/strong> [OW-in \u03b3lahss, for the “\u03b3” (the Greek gamma sign), please see the pronunciation notes below, if it’s new to you — in a nutshell, it’s a throaty\/voiced version of the “-ch” in German “Buch<\/em>” or Welsh “bach<\/em>” or \u00a0Scots “Loch<\/em>“)], a green river (naturally colored): 389 amas<\/strong>, but the lion’s share are for “Abhainn Ghlas<\/em>” in Scotland, not rivers dyed green for L\u00e1 Fh\u00e9ile P\u00e1draig.\u00a0 <\/strong>Apparently there are several places called “Abhainn Ghlas<\/em>” in Scotland, as well as at least one actual river, but they are beyond our scope here.\u00a0 <\/strong>There are a few references to “An Abhainn Ghlas” <\/strong>in Ireland, as a town or a river, and a few link back to this blog, but I don’t see any discussion of green-dyed rivers in Irish in a natural context.\u00a0 Maybe for next year we can popularize the topic!\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

As I alluded to in the last blog, I also tried a grammatically incorrect search (sometimes a useful tool), and that brought up several hundred references to “Abhainn Glas,” <\/strong>a development in Meathas Troim<\/strong> (Edgeworthstown, Co. Longford).\u00a0 As a sidenote, this search also brought up an interesting article about converting “ghost estates” in Ireland to become Gaeltachta\u00ed nua — smaoineamh an-suimi\u00fail (<\/strong>http:\/\/www.irishcentral.com\/story\/ent\/the_keane_edge\/ghost-estates-targeted-for-repopulation-plans-by-irish-gaelic-activists-in-ireland-88952907.html<\/a>).<\/p>\n

And now for na foirmeacha iolra<\/strong> (the plural forms).\u00a0 Slim pickins!\u00a0 Am I the only one interested in using the Irish language to discuss the dyeing of rivers?<\/p>\n

aibhneacha uaine <\/strong>[EV-nyukh-uh]: 9 n-amas a bhaineann le Transparent Language’s Irish Blogs, ach seachas sin, amas ar bith <\/strong>(9 hits referring back to Transparent, other than that, no hits).<\/p>\n

aibhneacha glasa <\/strong>[GLAHSS-uh; the “\u03b3” sound disappears in the plural!]: 1 amas (seachas blaganna sa tsraith seo, <\/strong>1 hit besides entries in this blog series) and it turns out to be a government document about the salmon population in Irish rivers, with various rivers coded as different colors on a map.\u00a0 Hmm, can we say “daonra brad\u00e1n” <\/strong>(salmon population)?\u00a0 The “daon<\/strong>-” part of “daonra<\/strong>” clearly refers to people (daoine or daonnaithe).\u00a0 I guess it makes as much literal sense as “populus” part of “population” does if we’re talking about animal populations. At any rate, an interesting document, ach n\u00ed bhaineann s\u00e9 m\u00f3r\u00e1n len\u00e1r n-\u00e1bhar.\u00a0 Seo an nasc<\/strong>, for anyone who really wants to check out the salmon populations: \u00a0\u00a0http:\/\/www.dcenr.gov.ie\/NR\/rdonlyres\/545ADC32-CA29-4E8C-8A00-5475FC62CCB6\/0\/Tuarasc%C3%A1ilGhr%C3%BApaNeamhsple%C3%A1chnamBrad%C3%A1npdf.pdf<\/a><\/p>\n

So it seems to me that this \u00e1bhar<\/strong> is still a bit unresolved.\u00a0 For all the discussion of “dyeing rivers green” (13,900 hits before sorting, for the English search), there’s not much “i mb\u00e9al an phobail<\/strong>” that’s actually in Irish.\u00a0\u00a0 I know we’ll never get this topic to compete with \u00e9ada\u00ed Kim Kardashian<\/strong> or some other such “\u00e1bhar treochta\u00ed<\/strong>” (trending topic), but it would be nice if by next year’s St. Patrick’s Day, we could see a little more activity.\u00a0 At least enough to generate some discussion as to whether a dyed river is “uaine<\/strong>” or “glas<\/strong>.”\u00a0 I root for “uaine<\/strong>” here, as with bagels, since we’re literally talking about dath\u00fach\u00e1n <\/strong>(dyeing [DAH-hoo-khawn].\u00a0 Bhur mbar\u00falacha?<\/strong><\/p>\n

So, sin \u00e9<\/strong>, for now.\u00a0 I bet you’ll think twice before you eat citseap<\/strong> “Blastin’ Green” \u00a0next time.\u00a0 An bhfuil an citseap sin uaine n\u00f3 glas?<\/strong>\u00a0 “Uaine<\/strong>” because it’s manufactured?\u00a0 Or “glas<\/strong>” because it comes from green tomatoes (at least I assume and hope that that’s why it’s green)?\u00a0 Actually, it’s a moot point by now because green catsup stopped production about 7 years ago.\u00a0 It was meant to promote the movie “Shrek,” and delightful as that movie was, some of its more extreme spin-off products have come and gone.\u00a0 Not the die-hard stuff of course, but, well, the citseap uaine (glas)<\/strong> seems to have gone the way of all (tomato) flesh.<\/p>\n

If the idea of multi-colored catsup really tickled your fancy, l\u00e9igh leat ag<\/strong> http:\/\/www.fastcompany.com\/1779591\/what-were-they-thinking-day-ketchup-crossed-line-perfect-purple<\/a>.\u00a0 \u00a0It also discusses “citseap corcra.”\u00a0 I mB\u00e9arla, ar nd\u00f3igh.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Meanwhile, next blog we’ll look at some more practical applications of the “glas<\/strong>” and “uaine<\/strong>” terms.\u00a0 And I’m still waiting to see if anyone can provide an Ghaeilge<\/strong> for “peatiness” — my suggestions were in the previous blog.\u00a0 There must be some reason why the Irish and the Scots call some rivers “glas<\/strong>” and some “uaine<\/strong>.”\u00a0 Does the color of the river water reflect anything about the local water supply that’s used sa phr\u00f3iseas driogtha<\/strong> (distilling process).\u00a0 And would that then affect the “blas<\/strong>“?\u00a0 And does water even have color?\u00a0 Or only reflect it?\u00a0 Food for thought.\u00a0 SGF, R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nascanna<\/strong> (for pronouncing the broad “gh” sound, aka, the “voiced velar fricative,” as found in “mo ghr\u00e1 th\u00fa<\/strong>” \/ I love you, as well as in “abhainn ghlas<\/strong>” above):<\/p>\n

https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/saying-i-love-you-in-irish\/<\/a> (subtitled “and minding your voiced velar fricatives”), 9 Deireadh F\u00f3mhair<\/strong> 2011<\/p>\n

https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/treoir-don-treoir-a-guide-to-the-guide-for-pronunciation-cuid-a-2\/<\/a>, 27 I\u00fail<\/strong>, 2010<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)\u00a0And now for the final part of our “glas vs. uaine” (green\/green) discussion, stemming from the St. Patrick’s Day discussions.\u00a0 Somehow it has turned into a mionsraith ad hoc, so I suppose I could have labeled each section (Cuid a hAon, Cuid a D\u00f3, and today, Cuid a Tr\u00ed).\u00a0 But I guess I’ll just…<\/p>\n

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