{"id":41,"date":"2009-06-11T00:02:42","date_gmt":"2009-06-11T04:02:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=41"},"modified":"2009-06-11T00:02:42","modified_gmt":"2009-06-11T04:02:42","slug":"rac-cheol-punc-cheol-popcheol-snagcheol-and-my-favorite-standby-ceol-traidisiunta-not-to-mention-rac-cheol-sicideileach-rac-cheol-an-deiscirt-ceol-gangsta-ceol-gaspal-ceol-rithim-agus-gorma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/rac-cheol-punc-cheol-popcheol-snagcheol-and-my-favorite-standby-ceol-traidisiunta-not-to-mention-rac-cheol-sicideileach-rac-cheol-an-deiscirt-ceol-gangsta-ceol-gaspal-ceol-rithim-agus-gorma\/","title":{"rendered":"Rac-cheol, Punc-cheol, Popcheol, Snagcheol, and My Favorite Standby, Ceol Traidisi\u00fanta! (not to mention Rac-cheol S\u00edcideileach, Rac-cheol an Deiscirt, Ceol Gangsta, Ceol Gaspal, Ceol Rithim agus Gormacha)"},"content":{"rendered":"

You may have figured out the Irish word \u201cceol<\/strong>,\u201d or its variant, \u201ccheol<\/strong>,\u201d from the title.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Of course, you may have already seen it, perhaps in pubs signs advertising \u201cceol agus craic<\/strong>.\u201d \u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

You might have wondered why, knowing my addiction to fleisc\u00edn\u00ed<\/strong> (hyphens), in their proper place, I carefully put in the hyphen in \u201cRac-cheol<\/strong>\u201d and \u201cPunc-cheol<\/strong>\u201d and not in \u201cPopcheol<\/strong>\u201d or \u201cSnagcheol<\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span>Well, part of the answer is that if anyone had been writing, in Irish, about pop music or jazz a hundred years, there would have been hyphens all around.\u00a0 <\/span>In fact, Irish used to have a lot more fleisc\u00edn\u00ed<\/strong> than it does today.\u00a0 <\/span>We used to write \u201can t-\u00c9ireannach<\/strong>\u201d and \u201can t-Albanach<\/strong>,\u201d but now we omit those fleisc\u00edn\u00ed<\/strong>, in the name of athch\u00f3iri\u00fa chun \u00e9ifeachta<\/strong> (streamlining) the punctuation.\u00a0 <\/span>So, yes, at one time all four examples would have been consistent.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

So, what\u2019s the catch?\u00a0 <\/span>As you observed, there\u2019s no hyphen after the prefixes \u201cpop<\/strong>\u201d and \u201csnag<\/strong>\u201d.\u00a0 <\/span>Look again at the prefixes \u201crac<\/strong>-\u201c (rock) and \u201cpunc<\/strong>-\u201c (punk).\u00a0 <\/span>What do they have in common?\u00a0 <\/span>Hint: it has to do with litri\u00fa<\/strong> (spelling), not ciall <\/strong>(meaning).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Now look at these examples (you don\u2019t have to know what they mean to start to see a pattern):<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

sean-n\u00f3s <\/span><\/strong>but seanmhadra<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

droch-chapall<\/span><\/strong> but drochl\u00e1<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

droch-ch\u00e1il <\/span><\/strong>but drochainm<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

The pattern is that when the second part of a compound noun begins with the last letter of the prefix, you continue to use the fleisc\u00edn<\/strong>.\u00a0 <\/span>And yes, there are some exceptions to that restriction, but sin \u00c1.B.E.\u00a0 <\/span><\/strong>And there are even some parallels in English, for example, some diehards who still hyphenate \u201cco-operate\u201d or \u201cco-ordinate\u201d but who probably wouldn\u2019t hyphenate \u201ccopolymerize.\u201d \u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Mar sin de, rac-cheol, punc-cheol,<\/strong> and for that matter, should the topic arise, droch-cheol<\/strong>.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

What about the more specific types of music described above?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

s\u00edcideileach: <\/span><\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>remember that Irish, in its own way, has a phonetic system and it doesn\u2019t include keeping the letter \u201cp\u201d in front of a word when it is silent.\u00a0 <\/span>Irish is in good company in this regard, cf. sicod\u00e9lico and sicolog\u00eda, which are at least a variant spellings of the \u201cps\u201d forms sa Sp\u00e1innis.\u00a0 <\/span><\/strong>So try this word with a \u201cp\u201d in front, smaoinigh ar na seascaid\u00ed saor\u00e1lacha<\/strong> (the swinging 60s), and you should have it.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Deisceart,<\/span><\/strong> the South (can pertain to any country); an Deiscirt<\/strong>, of the South, presumably it\u2019s Deisceart na St\u00e1t Aontaithe at\u00e1 i gceist sa stil cheoil<\/strong>.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Rithim<\/span><\/strong>: rhythm, and the color name \u201cgorm<\/strong>\u201d (blue) should clue you in on the last bit.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Can you figure this one out? ceol gr\u00fainse.\u00a0 <\/span><\/strong>Hint: nirbhe\u00e1na<\/strong>!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

This blog was primarily to introduce variations on the theme of the word \u201cceol<\/strong>\u201d itself.\u00a0 <\/span>Stay ti\u00fanta leis an mblag seo<\/strong> for more details on different types of ceol<\/strong>, uirlis\u00ed<\/strong> ceoil <\/strong>(instruments of music), agus st\u00edleanna<\/strong>.\u00a0 <\/span>But of course, there might be a few other \u00e1bhair<\/strong> (topics) idir an d\u00e1 linn<\/strong> (between the two time periods).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Pronunciation tip<\/span><\/strong>:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cc\u201d is always hard in Irish, so it will either be like the \u201cc\u201d in \u201ccute\u201d or in \u201ccool.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cch\u201d is softened (lenited), meaning it\u2019s really just a puff of breath.\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s fairly close to the initial \u201ch\u201d of English \u201chumid,\u201d \u201chew,\u201d or \u201cHugh,\u201d (but not like the \u201cHoo\u201d of Horton or Sutton fame and not like \u201cwho\u201d).\u00a0 <\/span>In other words, like \u201cHughie,\u201d (a boy\u2019s nickname) but not like \u201chooey!\u201d <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Freagra: gr\u00fainse,<\/span><\/strong> grunge<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

You may have figured out the Irish word \u201cceol,\u201d or its variant, \u201ccheol,\u201d from the title.\u00a0 \u00a0 Of course, you may have already seen it, perhaps in pubs signs advertising \u201cceol agus craic.\u201d \u00a0 \u00a0 You might have wondered why, knowing my addiction to fleisc\u00edn\u00ed (hyphens), in their proper place, I carefully put in the…<\/p>\n

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