{"id":4532,"date":"2013-10-22T19:47:37","date_gmt":"2013-10-22T19:47:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=4532"},"modified":"2013-11-06T13:26:09","modified_gmt":"2013-11-06T13:26:09","slug":"siolta-ubhoirini-agus-tiubair-a-thiarcais-yet-another-oh-my-meme-this-time-on-a-biaphlanda-theme-pt-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/siolta-ubhoirini-agus-tiubair-a-thiarcais-yet-another-oh-my-meme-this-time-on-a-biaphlanda-theme-pt-1\/","title":{"rendered":"S\u00edolta, Ubh\u00f3ir\u00edn\u00ed, agus Ti\u00fabair … A Thiarcais! (Yet another “oh-my” meme, this time on a ‘biaphlanda” theme) Pt. 1"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bhuel, seo mise b\u00e1ite go dt\u00ed mo sh\u00faile ag l\u00e9amh faoin difear idir thortha\u00ed agus ghlasra\u00ed.\u00a0 ‘Sea, f\u00f3s.\u00a0 Mar a bh\u00ed m\u00e9 sa bhlag roimhe seo, ach anois “n\u00edos b\u00e1ite.”\u00a0 Ceist na gcn\u00f3nna agus na nglasra\u00ed pischine\u00e1lacha at\u00e1 i gceist inniu, chomh maith leis na sainmh\u00ednithe bun\u00fasacha ar\u00eds.\u00a0 <\/b><\/p>\n

So, let’s backtrack a bit there.\u00a0 I’ve been immersed in reading about the difference between fruits and vegetable since the last blog.\u00a0 And now, nuts and legumes are also part of the question.<\/p>\n

Bhuel<\/b>, ever onward, ag treabhadh ph\u00e1irc na n-idirdhealuithe<\/b>.<\/p>\n

Back to the basics first–tortha\u00ed agus glasra\u00ed<\/b>.<\/p>\n

Tortha\u00ed<\/b>: I suppose the basic keywords, beyond “s\u00edol<\/b>” and “s\u00edolta<\/b>” themselves, here are:<\/p>\n

ubh\u00f3ir\u00edn<\/b>, ovule, based on “ubh<\/b>” (egg)<\/p>\n

ubhag\u00e1n<\/b>, ovary, at least in agriculture and botany, not to be mistaken for “uibheag\u00e1n<\/b>” (an omelette); another word for ovary is “s\u00edollann<\/b>”<\/p>\n

and at least sometimes, bia la\u00edonach<\/b>, pulpy flesh.<\/p>\n

Note the use of “bia<\/b>” (usually “food”) here for the “flesh” of a fruit, at least when pulpiness is involved–the other typical words for “flesh” wouldn’t really suit the context, e.g. “feoil<\/b>” (usually “meat”) and, even more obscurely, at least for our purposes, “steillbheatha<\/b>.”<\/p>\n

But come to think of it, is there a difference between “pulpy flesh” and “fleshy pulp”?\u00a0 Both may be used to describe the material around the seeds in fruit, ach mar a d\u00fairt m\u00e9 cheana, n\u00ed luibheola\u00ed m\u00e9 (n\u00e1<\/b> pomologist n\u00e1 <\/b>fruiticulturist n\u00e1<\/b> olericulturist ach oiread–focail iad uilig nach bhfuil m\u00e9 \u00e1balta teacht ar a leith\u00e9id\u00ed i nGaeilge).<\/b><\/p>\n

But anyway, since “fleshy pulp” has entered the picture, what would it be i nGaeilge<\/b>?\u00a0 Hmm, and why did I never encounter the dilemma of differentiating “pulpy flesh” from “fleshy pulp” before?\u00a0 Well, I can’t answer an dara ceist<\/b> there but seo c\u00fapla smaoineamh don ch\u00e9ad cheist.<\/b><\/p>\n

For “fleshy,” the first word that would come to mind, for me, ar a laghad<\/b>, would be “feolmhar<\/b>” (meaty, etc.) as in a certain “fear m\u00f3r f\u00e9itheogach feolmhar<\/b>,” whom some of you may recognize as Vernon Dursley in Harry Potter agus an \u00d3rchloch<\/i><\/b>.”\u00a0 But that doesn’t really seem to work here, since it’s sort of odd to describe fruit as “meaty.”\u00a0 Although I guess if fruit can be “mellow,” it could also be “meaty.”\u00a0 But it doesn’t ring familiar that way!<\/p>\n

Note to self: C\u00e9ard faoi <\/b>“beef tomatoes”?\u00a0 \u00c1bhar blag eile, is d\u00f3cha!<\/b><\/p>\n

So how about another choice for “fleshy,” the word “m\u00e9ith<\/b>,” which can also mean “mellow” or “juicy” in addition to its perhaps more typical meanings of “rich,” “fat,” or “fertile” usually regarding land, pigs, and the like?<\/p>\n

As for “pulp,” to flesh out the phrase <unh!>, we have “la\u00edon<\/b>,” the noun on which our adjective, “la\u00edonach<\/b>” is based.<\/p>\n

“La\u00edon m\u00e9ith<\/b>” for “fleshy pulp” then, is d\u00f3cha<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

I can’t recall any adjectives based on “bia<\/b>” (food, pulp, etc.) that would really serve today’s context.\u00a0 There is “biata<\/b>” (well-fed).\u00a0 And “biatach<\/b>” (food-providing).\u00a0 And “biamhar<\/b>” (abounding in food).\u00a0 But none of them mean “pulpy.”<\/p>\n

Of course we could always say “la\u00edon la\u00edonach<\/b>” but how “leadr\u00e1nach<\/b>” is that!<\/p>\n

So anyway, sin c\u00fapla rogha duit<\/b>.\u00a0 Needless to say, I couldn’t find any examples of “pulpy flesh” or “fleshy pulp” in any searchable Irish text, otherwise I would have presented them here straight up.\u00a0 And Google Translate, which I find dubious at best, especially for Irish, bails entirely.\u00a0 Google Translate tells me that the Irish for “pulpy flesh” is “flesh pulpy” [sic].\u00a0 I kid you not. \u00a0They must think I’m ready to buy that swamp land in Florida that everyone keeps talking about.\u00a0 I think it would be better to have no results than to simply reverse the word order of an English phrase and tell me that it’s Irish! \u00a0And I don’t trust Google Translate’s results for “fleshy pulp” either, since it seems to come straight from a text that discusses a “bean caife<\/b>” (coffee bean!) and “shrimp dearg<\/b>” and also forgets the (admittedly counterintuitive) “sa<\/b>” after “istigh,<\/b>” all within one sentence (http:\/\/our-travels.com\/ga\/guatemala\/1070675<\/a>).\u00a0 So for whoever created that caption for the photo of the coffee beans, I applaud the effort, but the text needs some major tweaking.<\/p>\n

And actually, is there a different between “pulpy flesh” and “fleshy pulp” other than the words used to describe them?<\/p>\n

Before finishing, and hopefully without straying too far afield down this garden path, I can’t help but observe that “pulp fiction” in Irish is “garrfhicsean<\/b>,” using yet another word for “pulp,” which is “garr<\/b>.”\u00a0 I’m a little reluctant to use “garr<\/b>” for our basic purposes, describing fruit, since “garr<\/b>” has overtones of other, less savory meanings, such as “ordure,” “filth,” and “garbage.”<\/p>\n

At any rate, our sub-meme for the blog so far must be a slight variation on the title of the blog as whole:<\/p>\n

“S\u00edolta, ubh\u00f3ir\u00edn agus gamba\u00ed de bhia la\u00edonach … a thiarcais!<\/b>” (Seeds, ovules and globs of pulpy flesh … oh my!).<\/p>\n

So what are the takeaways for today’s blog?\u00a0 Probably the most basic words are: “bia<\/b>” (food, and in specialized contexts, pulp), “s\u00edol<\/b>” (seed, which also gives us “s\u00edollann<\/b>“), and “ubh<\/b>” (ubh\u00f3ir\u00edn, ubhag\u00e1n, <\/b>and in passing, uibheag\u00e1n<\/b>).\u00a0 For the pulp literati among you, “garrfhicsean<\/b>” is actually pretty useful, given its perennial popularity.\u00a0 Just be sure to understand it as a compound word unto itself, not as “ordure fiction,” or some other such “cacophony” of meaning.<\/p>\n

Hmmm, I wonder if anyone can run that one by Quentin Tarantino?\u00a0 Was his Pulp Fiction<\/i> ever subtitled in Irish?<\/p>\n

And lo and behold, it looks like this blog will have to be another two-parter, since I’m out of space and I still haven’t really gotten into the glasra\u00ed, ti\u00fabair, bleib\u00edn\u00ed<\/b>, and gasa<\/b> yet.\u00a0 Nor the “cn\u00f3nna<\/b>” and the “glasra\u00ed<\/b>\u00a0pischine\u00e1lacha<\/b>” (aka “l\u00e9ag\u00faim<\/b>“).\u00a0 \u00c1bhar blag eile, roimh i bhfad. SGF — R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) Bhuel, seo mise b\u00e1ite go dt\u00ed mo sh\u00faile ag l\u00e9amh faoin difear idir thortha\u00ed agus ghlasra\u00ed.\u00a0 ‘Sea, f\u00f3s.\u00a0 Mar a bh\u00ed m\u00e9 sa bhlag roimhe seo, ach anois “n\u00edos b\u00e1ite.”\u00a0 Ceist na gcn\u00f3nna agus na nglasra\u00ed pischine\u00e1lacha at\u00e1 i gceist inniu, chomh maith leis na sainmh\u00ednithe bun\u00fasacha ar\u00eds.\u00a0 So, let’s backtrack a bit…<\/p>\n

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