{"id":5273,"date":"2014-05-14T19:56:53","date_gmt":"2014-05-14T19:56:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=5273"},"modified":"2018-03-22T21:56:05","modified_gmt":"2018-03-22T21:56:05","slug":"pronunciation-tips-for-six-ways-to-say-i-want-some-more-in-irish","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/pronunciation-tips-for-six-ways-to-say-i-want-some-more-in-irish\/","title":{"rendered":"Pronunciation Tips for ”Six Ways to Say ‘I Want Some More’ in Irish”"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

From time to time (\u00f3 am go ham<\/strong>), I like to go back to a previous blog and provide more pronunciation notes.\u00a0 Here are a few more tips for ” Six Ways to Say, ‘I Want Some More’ in Irish (ag cur Gaeilge ar athfhriotal cl\u00faiteach Oilibh\u00e9ir<\/strong>)” (10 Bealtaine 2014; nasc th\u00edos<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

As usual, the main emphasis will be on distinguishing words in their root forms from words with lenition (s\u00e9imhi\u00fa<\/strong>) or eclipsis (ur\u00fa<\/strong>).\u00a0 In other words, if you remember learning “madra<\/strong>” and “mo mhadra<\/strong>” or “Bost\u00fan<\/strong>” and “i mBost\u00fan<\/strong>,” that’s what we’ll be looking at here (say: MAH-druh, muh WAH-druh, BOS-toon, im-OS-toon).\u00a0 Of course, there isn’t room in one blogpost to cover all possible dialect variations, so there are other pronunciation possibilities besides what you see here.<\/p>\n

Let’s look at the following pairs of words, as shown in the previous blog.\u00a0 These words may have more forms, but we’re not going to cover all of them here (ganntanas sp\u00e1is<\/strong>): maith \/ mhaith<\/strong>, d\u00edth \/ dh\u00edth<\/strong>, fuair \/ n\u00ed bhfuair<\/strong>, s\u00e1 \/ sh\u00e1<\/strong> and s\u00e1ith \/ sh\u00e1ith<\/strong>, d\u00f3thain \/ dh\u00f3thain \/ nd\u00f3thain<\/strong> (which will bring us back to the infamous ‘voiced velar fricative,’ previously discussed in various blogposts, listed below), caisle\u00e1n \/ chaisle\u00e1n<\/strong>, b\u00e9ile \/ bh\u00e9ile<\/strong>, and, for good measure, although it didn’t appear in its lenited form in the previous blog, praiseach \/ phraiseach<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Why special attention to ‘praiseach<\/strong>‘?\u00a0 \u00a0Because it’s so much fun to say this word, whose meanings include “thin porridge,” “gruel,” “mess” and “hash,” (but not “corned-beef hash,” just “hash” in the “dog’s dinner” (or, for you Welsh speakers, “traed moch<\/em>“) sense).\u00a0 \u00a0And if it’s useful to call something “praiseach<\/strong>,” we might also want to sometimes be more specific and say “an phraiseach<\/strong>.”<\/p>\n

So, down to the nitty-gritty:<\/p>\n

1a) maith<\/strong> [mah], good, as in “Is maith liom U2<\/strong>” or “An maith leat h\u00e1karl<\/em><\/strong>?” \u00a0Literally, these mean “U2 is good with me” and “Is h\u00e1karl good with you?”<\/p>\n

1b) mhaith<\/strong> [wah], still means “good,” literally, but also occurs in sentences like “Ba mhaith liom tuilleadh leitean<\/strong>” (I would like more porridge, presumably a little thicker than “praiseach)<\/strong>.” \u00a0Literally, this means “More porridge would be good with me.”<\/p>\n

2a) d\u00edth<\/strong> [djeeh, with a puff of breath at the end, like starting to say “djee-huh”], need, want<\/p>\n

2b) de dh\u00edth<\/strong> [djeh yee-h], lit. of need, of want, also with the puffy “h” sound at the end.<\/p>\n

3a) fuair<\/strong> [FOO-irzh<\/sup>, with the distinct Irish slender “s,” as found in the Czech name Ji\u0159\u00ed<\/em>.] The slender “r” sound is almost unknown in English, so the Czech example is one of the few, reasonably recognizable comparisons. \u00a0‘Fuair<\/strong>‘ \u00a0means “got.”<\/p>\n

3b) n\u00ed bhfuair<\/strong> [nee WOO-irzh<\/sup>], didn’t get.\u00a0 Usually we have s\u00e9imhi\u00fa<\/strong> (lenition, with “f” becoming “fh”) after the negating “n\u00ed<\/strong>,” but the verb “get” (faigh<\/strong>) is irregular, so we have ur\u00fa<\/strong> (eclipsis, with “f” becoming “bhf”) instead.<\/p>\n

4a) s\u00e1<\/strong> [saw] or s\u00e1ith<\/strong> [approximately saw-ih, very hard to transcribe in writing], a sufficiency<\/p>\n

4b) sh\u00e1<\/strong> [haw] or sh\u00e1ith<\/strong> [haw-ih], as in “mo sh\u00e1<\/strong>” or “mo sh\u00e1ith<\/strong>,” both meaning “my sufficiency,” i.e. “enough for me.<\/p>\n

5a) d\u00f3thain<\/strong> [DOH-hin], a sufficiency<\/p>\n

5b) dh\u00f3thain<\/strong> [\u03b3OH-hin], as in “mo dh\u00f3thain<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>” (my sufficiency).\u00a0 The initial sound is represented by the Greek gamma sign\u00a0 It has no parallel in English or Welsh, but it’s like the “g” found in some varieties of Spanish (“agua<\/em>,” not like the standard “AHG-wuh” that I first learned, but more of a throaty breathy “AH-hwuh”).\u00a0 \u00a0Linguistically, this is the voiced velar fricative (c\u00fapla nasc faoi th\u00edos<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

5c) nd\u00f3thain<\/strong> [NOH-hin], as in “seacht nd\u00f3thain<\/strong>,” which we saw in the last blog \u00a0in “T\u00e1 a seacht nd\u00f3thain le r\u00e1 aici<\/strong>, She talks far too much,” lit. There are her seven sufficiencies to say at her.”<\/p>\n

6a) caisle\u00e1n<\/strong> [KASH-ly<\/sup>awn], castle<\/p>\n

6b) chaisle\u00e1n<\/strong> [KHASH- ly<\/sup>awn], as in “s\u00e1ith r\u00ed de chaisle\u00e1n<\/strong>,” a castle fit for a king, lit. a king’s sufficiency of a castle.\u00a0 “Of a castle” is not possessive here (i.e. not<\/em> like “doors of a castle,” which would be ‘doirse caisle\u00e1in<\/strong>‘), but refers to the size of the castle.\u00a0 Similarly, we might say “l\u00e1n doirn de mhilse\u00e1in<\/strong>,” which means … (freagra th\u00edos, d\u00fashl\u00e1in\u00edn beag d’fhoghlaimeoir\u00ed<\/strong>)<\/p>\n

The “ch” of “chaisle\u00e1n<\/strong>” is like the “ch” of German “Achtung<\/em>,” Yiddish “chutzpah<\/em>,” Welsh “bach<\/em>,” and Irish and Scottish Gaelic and some Scottish English “loch<\/strong>.” \u00a0Linguistically, it’s the voiceless velar fricative.<\/p>\n

7a) b\u00e9ile<\/strong> [BAYL-yuh], a meal<\/p>\n

7b) bh\u00e9ile<\/strong> [VAYL-yuh], as in “d\u00f3thain r\u00ed de bh\u00e9ile<\/strong>,” a meal fit for a king, lit. a king’s sufficiency of a meal<\/p>\n

8a) praiseach<\/strong> [PRASH-ukh], thin porridge, gruel, hash, mess<\/p>\n

8b) an phraiseach<\/strong> [un FRASH-ukh], the thin porridge, the gruel, the hash, the mess<\/p>\n

So that’s eight sets of words with changes to the first letter, making at least a dent in the iceberg of Irish inflections.\u00a0 There are tens of thousands of examples, but the basic patterns are:<\/p>\n

s\u00e9imhi\u00fa<\/strong>: “h” is added after b, c, d, f, g, m, p, s, t<\/p>\n

ur\u00fa<\/strong>: the following changes occur: b changes to mb, c to gc, d to nd (as in “seacht nd\u00f3thain<\/strong>“), f to bhf (as in “n\u00ed bhfuair<\/strong>“), g to ng, p to bp, and t to dt.\u00a0 Of these, today’s blog only dealt with “nd” and “bhf.”<\/p>\n

TSAGGSSL. SGF – R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

P.S. l\u00e1n doirn de mhilse\u00e1in<\/strong>, a fistful of sweets (a fistful of candies), lit. the full of a fist of sweets<\/p>\n

P.P.S. TSAGGSSL, T\u00e1 s\u00fail agam go gcuid\u00edonn s\u00e9 seo leat (libh). <\/strong><\/p>\n

Naisc:<\/strong><\/p>\n

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(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) From time to time (\u00f3 am go ham), I like to go back to a previous blog and provide more pronunciation notes.\u00a0 Here are a few more tips for ” Six Ways to Say, ‘I Want Some More’ in Irish (ag cur Gaeilge ar athfhriotal cl\u00faiteach Oilibh\u00e9ir)” (10 Bealtaine 2014; nasc th\u00edos). As…<\/p>\n

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