{"id":5283,"date":"2014-05-18T20:11:10","date_gmt":"2014-05-18T20:11:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=5283"},"modified":"2015-02-12T18:30:14","modified_gmt":"2015-02-12T18:30:14","slug":"cen-focal-gaeilge-a-thagann-on-tsinis-leid-itear-ar-bhrocairi-teo-e","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/cen-focal-gaeilge-a-thagann-on-tsinis-leid-itear-ar-bhrocairi-teo-e\/","title":{"rendered":"C\u00e9n Focal Gaeilge a Thagann \u00f3n tS\u00ednis? (Leid: Itear ar Bhrocair\u00ed Teo \u00e9)"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

C\u00e9n focal Gaeilge a thagann \u00f3n tS\u00ednis? \u00a0Bhuel,<\/strong> OK, English is a significant intermediary, but it is interesting to consider how certain words have become gaelicized.\u00a0 \u00a0Especially if they start out as something like “ k\u00f4e-chiap<\/em>\u00a0” or “ k\u00ea-chiap<\/em>\u00a0” (literally, brine of pickled fish).<\/p>\n

\"Sp\u00fan\u00f3g<\/a>

Sp\u00fan\u00f3g phlaisteach, scian phlaisteach, forc plaisteach agus an citseap uilel\u00e1ithreach i mbuid\u00e9al plaisteach! Hmm, cad a d\u00fairt an tUasal Mag Uidhir le Benjamin faoi phlaisteach? \u00c1, sin \u00e9, “T\u00e1 todhcha\u00ed iontach in \u00e1bhair phlaisteacha. B\u00ed ag smaoineamh faoi.” (\u00f3 “An C\u00e9im\u00ed, 1967)<\/p><\/div>\n

As you may have guessed from looking at those transliterations from Chinese (Hokkien), and perhaps also from the clue (leid<\/strong>) in this blog’s title, that we eat it on “brocair\u00ed teo<\/strong>,” the answer is “citseap<\/strong>.”<\/p>\n

Just in time for s\u00e9as\u00far na mbe\u00e1rbaici\u00fanna<\/strong>, which is rapidly approaching.\u00a0 So let’s backtrack a bit and see how this word appeared, first in English, then, from the scanty data available, in Irish.<\/p>\n

There are many accounts of the origin of the word “ketchup” (aka “catsup”) in English.\u00a0 The nutshell version will do for our purposes.<\/p>\n

The word “ketchup” had entered the English language by about 1750.\u00a0 It seems unclear as to whether the word came from Chinese or Malay-Indonesian (“kecap<\/em>“), \u00a0but the Chinese originally meant means “fish sauce,” and, yes, it was fermented.\u00a0 \u00a0Similar, I presume, to the ancient Romans’ garum.\u00a0 I’ve read various descriptions of the Malay-Indonesian, “kecap<\/em>,” but it seems that was “soy sauce,” not “fish sauce.”\u00a0 Feedback from any speakers of these languages would certainly be welcome.<\/p>\n

The original recipes for ketchup did not call for tomatoes; that apparently started around 1800.\u00a0 Early Western recipes survive for “walnut ketchup,” attested in a “household book” of recipes from Jane Austen’s family, and “mushroom ketchup.”\u00a0\u00a0 But apparently these sauces, which involved fermentation, were an attempt to imitate the Chinese fermented fish sauce, introduced to the West via sailors.\u00a0 I guess fermentation creates a similar taste no matter what the basis is, otherwise I’d be saying “Iasc?” “Gallchn\u00f3nna?” “Muisiri\u00fain?”<\/strong>\u00a0 Tasting similar?\u00a0 Uh, beyond this blog!<\/p>\n

There’s plenty to read about the history of ketchup in the West and about the word “ketchup” in English (c\u00fapla nasc th\u00edos<\/strong>).\u00a0 But our main interest here, is, of course, the Irish.<\/p>\n

So we have the word “citseap<\/strong>.”<\/p>\n

Although I can’t pinpoint it specifically, it seems to have entered the Irish language sometime between the 1930s and the 1950s.\u00a0 In an admittedly brief search, I don’t see it in any pre-1950s sources, but it does appear by 1959 in Tom\u00e1s de Bhaldraithe’s English-Irish Dictionary<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Here are the forms of the word “citseap<\/strong>“:<\/p>\n

an citseap<\/strong>, the ketchup; pronounced almost like the English but with more of a “kit” sound rather than a “ketch” sound and more of an “ap” sound than an “up” sound, i.e. “KIT-shap” not “KETCH-up.<\/p>\n

citsip<\/strong>, of ketchup; buid\u00e9al citsip<\/strong> (a bottle of ketchup)<\/p>\n

an chitsip<\/strong>, of the ketchup; blas an chitsip<\/strong> (the taste of the ketchup)<\/p>\n

Generally speaking, the word “citseap<\/strong>” isn’t considered to have a plural, but if one were really needed, in would probably also be “citsip<\/strong>,” since the word is 1st-declension and masculine.\u00a0 I wouldn’t normally use “ketchups”\u00a0 much in English either, only perhaps to discuss types (These ketchups are tomato-based and those aren’t, perhaps referring to the Filipino banana ketchup).<\/p>\n

The word “citseap<\/strong>” can also be lenited and eclipsed, as in:<\/p>\n

Sin \u00e9 mo chitseap-sa<\/strong>.\u00a0 That’s MY ketchup.\u00a0 (Faigh comhth\u00e9acs d\u00f3 sin, m\u00e1s f\u00e9idir leat!)<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00e1 blas aisteach ar an gcitseap sin.<\/strong>\u00a0 There’s a strange taste on that ketchup.<\/p>\n

And finally, how would we use this word in a typical sentence?<\/p>\n

Ar mhaith leat citseap ar do bhrocaire te?<\/strong>\u00a0 Would you like ketchup on your hot dog?<\/p>\n

(Freagra\u00ed: ba mhaith<\/strong> for “yes,”\u00a0n\u00edor mhaith<\/strong>\u00a0for “no”).<\/strong><\/p>\n

And maybe you’ve had this conversation before:<\/p>\n

A: Aaargh!\u00a0 N\u00edl an citseap ag teacht amach as an mbuid\u00e9al seo.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

B: Buail ar “ghualainn” an bhuid\u00e9il \u00e9, sin an t-iomaire idir “mhuin\u00e9al” an bhuid\u00e9il agus an “corp”!<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: C\u00e9n f\u00e1th ansin? De ghn\u00e1th buailim bun an bhuid\u00e9il i gc\u00e1sanna mar seo.<\/strong><\/p>\n

B: N\u00edl a fhios agam ach oibr\u00edonn s\u00e9.\u00a0 Rud \u00e9igin a bhaineann leis an bhfisic, is d\u00f3cha.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Agus an t-aistri\u00fach\u00e1n:<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: Aaargh!\u00a0 The ketchup is not coming out of this bottle.<\/p>\n

B: Hit it on the shoulder of the bottle, that’s the ridge where the “neck” of the bottle meets the “body”!<\/p>\n

A: Why there?\u00a0 I usually hit the bottom of the bottle in cases like this.<\/p>\n

B: I don’t know but it works.\u00a0 Something to do with physics, I suppose.<\/p>\n

Bhuel, sin \u00e9, stair an fhocail “citseap,” foirmeacha an fhocail, agus comhr\u00e1 samplach faoi chitseap.\u00a0 “Faoi chitseap”?\u00a0 Sea, s\u00e9imhi\u00fa ar an “c” mar gheall ar an bhfocal “faoi” roimhe, mar “faoi bhord” agus “faoi bhosca” (in ionad “bord” agus “bosca”).\u00a0 SGF — R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

P.S. Go raibh maith agat, a Mharna\u00ed, a thaispe\u00e1in dom an d\u00f3igh cheart le buid\u00e9al citsip a bhualadh m\u00e1 bh\u00edonn an citseap malltrialach ag teacht amach.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Naisc:<\/strong> http:\/\/www.fastcodesign.com\/1673352\/how-500-years-of-weird-condiment-history-designed-the-heinz-ketchup-bottle<\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/life\/food\/2012\/05\/ketchup_s_chinese_origins_how_it_evolved_from_fish_sauce_to_today_s_tomato_condiment.single.html<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\"\"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)\u00a0 C\u00e9n focal Gaeilge a thagann \u00f3n tS\u00ednis? \u00a0Bhuel, OK, English is a significant intermediary, but it is interesting to consider how certain words have become gaelicized.\u00a0 \u00a0Especially if they start out as something like “ k\u00f4e-chiap\u00a0” or “ k\u00ea-chiap\u00a0” (literally, brine of pickled fish). As you may have guessed from looking at those…<\/p>\n

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