{"id":53,"date":"2009-07-13T00:29:34","date_gmt":"2009-07-13T04:29:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=53"},"modified":"2013-05-07T14:23:30","modified_gmt":"2013-05-07T14:23:30","slug":"bas-michael-jackson-1958-2009","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/bas-michael-jackson-1958-2009\/","title":{"rendered":"B\u00e1s Michael Jackson (1958-2009)"},"content":{"rendered":"

Bhuel, tar \u00e9is a bheith ag smaoineamh faoi<\/span><\/strong>, after pondering the matter, I figured I may as well join the sluaite<\/strong> (hordes) ag scr\u00edobh faoi<\/strong> Michael Jackson.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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First stop, as usual, what else has been written about his death, as Gaeilge<\/strong>?\u00a0 <\/span>Can\u2019t say I found m\u00f3r\u00e1n<\/strong> (much).\u00a0 <\/span>A cuardach<\/strong> Google limited to \u201cB\u00e1s<\/strong> Michael Jackson\u201d brought up 99 results, only one of which turned out to be in Irish.\u00a0 <\/span>How\u2019d that happen?\u00a0 <\/span>An iomarca teangacha a bhfuil \u201cbas\u201d (gan s\u00edneadh fada) mar fhocal acu, go m\u00f3r m\u00f3r, an Fhraincis<\/strong> (see gluais\u00edn th\u00edos<\/strong>, for vocab help).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Next stop, minus the word \u201cbas,\u201d to eliminate the French and other languages.\u00a0 <\/span>That brought me back to the m\u00f3rioml\u00e1n (<\/strong>grand total) of one result for \u201cB\u00e1s Michael Jackson\u201d as such. \u00a0<\/span>Searching in the Irish version of Google didn\u2019t seem to make any difference.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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C\u00fapla strait\u00e9is eile<\/span><\/strong>, a couple other strategies.\u00a0 <\/span>How about using the \u201cgael\u00fa<\/strong>\u201d (gaelicization) of Jackson\u2019s name?\u00a0 <\/span>But first, an explanation — names of celebrities and international figures are not usually gaelicized unless their bearer shows some precedent for doing so.\u00a0 <\/span>That\u2019s generally true, even if they have Irish or partly Irish backgrounds.\u00a0 <\/span>Sampla gasta<\/strong>, a quick example, using Google hits as an admittedly rough frame of reference: \u201cBill Clinton,\u201d 23,700,000 (n\u00ed nach ionadh<\/strong>); \u201cWilliam Clinton,\u201d 356,000; \u201cWilliam Jefferson Clinton,\u201d 320,000, but for \u201cLiam Cliont\u00fan<\/strong>,\u201d the gael\u00fa<\/strong> of his name, the results were exactly tada<\/strong>, faic<\/strong>, a dhath ar bith<\/strong> \u2013 all Irish ways of saying \u201cnothing.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span>And that\u2019s despite his d\u00fachas \u00c9ireannach<\/strong> (Irish heritage).\u00a0 <\/span>Of course, I\u2019m not saying here that no one has ever used the \u201cLiam Cliont\u00fan<\/strong>\u201d version of his name, just that it doesn\u2019t show up in a Googlable manner. \u00a0<\/span>If the results had been, mar shampla<\/strong>, \u201cBill Clinton,\u201d 5, and \u201cLiam Cliont\u00fan<\/strong>, 0, then I\u2019d say, \u201ccompletely inconclusive.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span>But at 23 milli\u00fan<\/strong>+ to n\u00e1id <\/strong>(0), I think we can safely say there\u2019s no formal precedent for saying \u201cLiam Cliont\u00fan<\/strong>\u201d when referring to iaruachtar\u00e1n na St\u00e1t Aontaithe<\/strong> (the former president of the United States), even if writing in Irish.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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For good measure, I even tried \u201cLiam<\/strong> Clinton,\u201d a hybrid version of the name, since some people are more comfortable changing their \u201cainm baiste<\/strong>\u201d (given name) for use in Irish language classes or social contexts, but are less likely to adapt their surname, even informally.\u00a0 <\/span>\u201cLiam<\/strong> Clinton\u201d gave me about 155 hits, of which only a handful were actually about an tUachtar\u00e1n<\/strong>, the president.\u00a0 <\/span>There are other Liam Clintons in the world who come up in the search, including one who was born in 2009.\u00a0 <\/span>And most of the presidential references were due to glitches in wording, which meant that \u201cWil-liam Clinton\u201d (with word-break) would show up in my search for \u201cLiam<\/strong> Clinton,\u201d where \u201cWilliam Clinton\u201d would not.\u00a0 <\/span>So much for that ascaill<\/strong> (avenue), or, to be more concise, sin sin<\/strong> (that\u2019s that).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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There are some exceptions to not gaelicizing names, mar shampla<\/strong>, An Mh\u00e1thair Treasa<\/strong>, possibly triggered by the expected translation of the honorific, and Criost\u00f3ir Colambas<\/strong>.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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So, now back to M\u00edche\u00e1l Mac Siacais.\u00a0 <\/span>Did searching for the gaelicized version of his name bring up any abundance of commentary as Gaeilge<\/strong>? \u00a0<\/span>Can\u2019t say it did.\u00a0 <\/span>I found a m\u00f3rioml\u00e1n<\/strong> of one actual article and two brief fan commentaries.\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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I also tried searching for \u201cb\u00e1s Mh\u00edch\u00edl (Mh\u00edche\u00e1l) Mhic Shiacais<\/strong>,\u201d using the name in the genitive case (Mhic<\/strong> instead of Mac<\/strong>, etc.) figuring that anyone who cared enough about the \u00e1bhar<\/strong> (topic) to write about it in Irish might have gone ahead with the gael\u00fa<\/strong> anyway.\u00a0 <\/span>Glantoradh<\/strong> (net result), one repeat hit. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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OK, so this has gotten me through blag amh\u00e1in eile<\/strong> without even getting up to my intended project, a caps\u00falbheathaisn\u00e9is<\/strong>* of Jackson, as Gaeilge<\/strong>.\u00a0 <\/span>So far, I\u2019ve only gotten through whether or not it made sense to refer to him as M\u00edche\u00e1l Mac Siacais<\/strong> (Mac Siac-\u00d3<\/strong>?).\u00a0 <\/span>So the caps\u00falbheathaisn\u00e9is<\/strong> will have to wait for blag eile<\/strong>, and will be forthcoming, more on the \u201cforth-\u201c (sooner) side of things if I hear from readers that they are interested in the \u00e1bhar.\u00a0 <\/span><\/strong>More on the farther side of \u201cforthcoming\u201d m\u00e1 chloisim<\/strong> (if I hear) tada, faic, a dhath ar bith uaibhse<\/strong> (from ye).\u00a0 <\/span>\u00a0<\/span>Even though my own musical taste is much more traidisi\u00fanta<\/strong>, I\u2019m happy to write about virtually any topic that is tr\u00e1th\u00fail<\/strong> (timely) agus i mb\u00e9al na ndaoine<\/strong> (being talked about).\u00a0 <\/span>But there are other topics looming large, tearmainn na n-asal<\/strong> (the donkey sanctuaries) agus an ch\u00e9ad scann\u00e1n eile i sraith Harry Potter, mar shampla<\/strong>, so do let me know m\u00e1 t\u00e1 suim agaibh<\/strong>!<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Sin \u00e9 – R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

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*OK, OK, in the time-honored tradition of Gaeilgeoir\u00ed<\/strong>, especially those active before the general spread of World Wide Web and Internet usage, which brought online dictionaries and which I date to about 1994, I made up the word \u201ccaps\u00falbheathaisn\u00e9is<\/strong>.\u201d \u00a0<\/span>I find no precedent for it online.\u00a0 <\/span>But that is how new words get started.\u00a0 <\/span>Hint: beathaisn\u00e9is<\/strong> itself comes from beatha<\/strong>, life + faisn\u00e9is<\/strong>, information, i.e. biography.\u00a0 <\/span>I didn\u2019t choose to say \u201cbeathaisn\u00e9is chaps\u00fail<\/strong>,\u201d since to me that would sound more like the life story of a capsule (say what?), from being part of sheet of plastic to being a tablet filled with medicinal powder.\u00a0 <\/span>Not real exciting \u2013 it would sound a bit like the booklets we used to have ar scoil <\/strong>(at school), like \u201cThe Story of a Coffee Bean.\u201d \u00a0<\/span>These \u00a0<\/span>would cover the saolr\u00e9<\/strong> (life-cycle) of the p\u00f3naire chaife<\/strong> (coffee-bean) from p\u00e9ac\u00e1n<\/strong> (sprout) to cup\u00e1n<\/strong> \u201ci\u00e1va<\/strong>.\u201d\u00a0 <\/span>Not that a p\u00f3naire chaife<\/strong> is really a p\u00f3naire<\/strong>, it\u2019s really a s\u00edol<\/strong> (seed), ach sin sc\u00e9al eile \u2013 \u00c1.B.E.<\/strong>!\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Gluais\u00edn <\/span><\/strong>[GLOO-ish-een]: an iomarca<\/strong> [un YUM-ark-uh], too many; a bhfuil \u2026 acu<\/strong> [uh wil \u2026 AHK-uh], that\/which have; gan<\/strong> [gahn], without; go m\u00f3r m\u00f3r<\/strong>, especially; an Fhraincis<\/strong> [un RANK-is, silent \u201cf\u201d], the French language, scann\u00e1n<\/strong>, film, movie; sraith<\/strong>, series (\u201cth\u201d is silent).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Leideanna Fuaimnithe<\/span><\/strong>: faic<\/strong> [fwack], caps\u00falbheathaisn\u00e9is<\/strong> [KAHP-sool-VA-hash-naysh, silent \u201ct\u201d], uaibhse<\/strong> [OO-iv-sheh], beatha<\/strong> [BA-huh], faisn\u00e9is<\/strong> [FASH-naysh]. saolr\u00e9 <\/strong>[seel-ray], s\u00edol<\/strong> [sheel]<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Bhuel, tar \u00e9is a bheith ag smaoineamh faoi, after pondering the matter, I figured I may as well join the sluaite (hordes) ag scr\u00edobh faoi Michael Jackson.\u00a0 \u00a0 First stop, as usual, what else has been written about his death, as Gaeilge?\u00a0 Can\u2019t say I found m\u00f3r\u00e1n (much).\u00a0 A cuardach Google limited to \u201cB\u00e1s Michael…<\/p>\n

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