{"id":54,"date":"2009-07-16T00:54:01","date_gmt":"2009-07-16T04:54:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=54"},"modified":"2012-11-15T12:47:07","modified_gmt":"2012-11-15T12:47:07","slug":"ce-mhead-duine-how-many-people-%e2%80%93-na-huimhreacha-pearsanta-i-ngaeilge-numbers-for-counting-people-in-irish","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/ce-mhead-duine-how-many-people-%e2%80%93-na-huimhreacha-pearsanta-i-ngaeilge-numbers-for-counting-people-in-irish\/","title":{"rendered":"C\u00e9 Mh\u00e9ad Duine? How Many People? \u2013 Na hUimhreacha Pearsanta i nGaeilge (Numbers for Counting People in Irish)"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

As I alluded to in the earlier post on \u201cmaoluimhreacha<\/strong>\u201d (independent numbers), Irish has a separate system for counting people. These are used up to 10 and also for 12. Eleven is skipped over for these purposes. The phrase for counting 11 people uses the same number system as saying you have 11 boxes (not the \u201cpersonal number” system). Why the number 11 is singled out for this treatment is thar m\u2019eolas<\/strong> (beyond my ken).\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Good news: starting with \u201cthree people,\u201d these \u201cpersonal numbers\u201d are clearly related to the <\/span>maoluimhir<\/strong> on which they are based, like <\/span>tri\u00far<\/strong> (<\/span>tr\u00ed)<\/strong> and <\/span>c\u00faigear<\/strong> (<\/span>c\u00faig)<\/strong>. For \u201cone person,\u201d we do use the actual number \u201cone,\u201d but there are two ways to count \u201cone\u201d in Irish, so we\u2019re off to a rollicking start, with two ways to say \u201cone person\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Duine amh\u00e1in<\/span><\/strong>, one person: T\u00e1 duine amh\u00e1in anseo ach t\u00e1 fiche duine ansin<\/strong> (There\u2019s one person here but there are 20 people there). Using this phrase emphasizes the context of actually counting the number of people, one as opposed to 20.<\/span><\/p>\n

Aonar<\/span><\/strong>, one\/solitary person. T\u00e1 s\u00e9 ina ch\u00f3na\u00ed ina aonar<\/strong>. He lives alone, lit. \u201cin his solitary personhood.\u201d\u00a0 Using this form tends to emphasize the solitariness of the situation.\u00a0 I know, distinguishing \u201cduine amh\u00e1in<\/strong>\u201d from \u201caonar\u201d<\/strong> can be beag\u00e1n mar a bheith ag min\u00ednteacht <\/strong>(the closest Irish equivalent to splitting hairs).\u00a0 But eventually one gets used to the distinction.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Beirt: C\u00e9 mh\u00e9ad duine a bh\u00ed sa d\u00eds\u00e9ad, <\/span><\/strong>Simon and Garfunkel?\u00a0 Beirt fhear<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tri\u00far: C\u00e9 mh\u00e9ad duine a bh\u00ed sa tr\u00edr\u00e9ad, <\/span><\/strong>Peter, Paul, and Mary? Tri\u00far (beirt fhear agus bean amh\u00e1in)<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ceathrar<\/span><\/strong>: C\u00e9 mh\u00e9ad duine a bh\u00ed sa ghr\u00fapa, <\/strong>The Beatles?\u00a0 Ceathrar, an chuid is m\u00f3 den am<\/strong>.<\/span><\/p>\n

C\u00faigear<\/span><\/strong>: C\u00e9 mh\u00e9ad duine a bh\u00ed sa <\/strong>Jackson Five? C\u00faigear, ar nd\u00f3igh<\/strong>!<\/span><\/p>\n

And just <\/span>le haghaidh an chraic<\/strong>, how do some other languages compare?<\/span>\u00a0 <\/span>Can you match these number terms with the appropriate language:<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n\n
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a) triawd<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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b) unupersona<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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c) queigaid<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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d) kvartett<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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e) otway eoplepay<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

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1) Sprantais<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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2) Breatnais<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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3) Sualainnis<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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4) Manannais<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n

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5) Muc-Laidin\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

And how about saying how many people are\/were in these groups: a) Clannad<\/span>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

b) Skara Brae \u00a0<\/span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>c) The Young Tradition\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>d) an D\u00eds\u00e9ad Dinimici\u00fail<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019ll address 6 to 10 people in another blog, and depending on how long that takes, deal with 11 and 12 either in the same blog or shortly afterwards.<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Freagra\u00ed<\/span><\/strong>: A: a2, b1, c4, d3, e5. B: a) c\u00faigear +-duine b) ceathrar c) tri\u00far d) beirt<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) As I alluded to in the earlier post on \u201cmaoluimhreacha\u201d (independent numbers), Irish has a separate system for counting people. These are used up to 10 and also for 12. Eleven is skipped over for these purposes. The phrase for counting 11 people uses the same number system as saying you have 11…<\/p>\n

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