{"id":9684,"date":"2017-09-25T15:23:35","date_gmt":"2017-09-25T15:23:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/?p=9684"},"modified":"2017-11-17T21:52:59","modified_gmt":"2017-11-17T21:52:59","slug":"how-to-say-rat-in-irish-and-a-continuation-of-the-glossary-for-an-piobaire-breac-an-t-aistriuchan-le-sean-o-durois-cuid-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/irish\/how-to-say-rat-in-irish-and-a-continuation-of-the-glossary-for-an-piobaire-breac-an-t-aistriuchan-le-sean-o-durois-cuid-2\/","title":{"rendered":"How to say ‘rat’ in Irish and a continuation of the glossary for ‘An P\u00edobaire Breac’ (an t-aistri\u00fach\u00e1n le Se\u00e1n \u00d3 D\u00farois) (Cuid 2)"},"content":{"rendered":"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn)<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Today we’ll continue the glossary started in the previous blog (nasc th\u00edos<\/strong>) to help with reading “An P\u00edobaire Breac,” Se\u00e1n \u00d3 D\u00farois’s lively translation of Robert Browning’s “The Pied Piper of Hamelin” (Eolas foilseach\u00e1in th\u00edos<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

First a brief review from last time.\u00a0 There are two main ways to say “rat” in Irish, one with several variations.<\/p>\n

a)) Probably the most basic is “francach<\/strong>,” with the following forms:<\/p>\n

francach, an francach, an fhrancaigh, na francaigh, na bhfrancach<\/strong> (e.g. eireabaill na bhfrancach<\/strong>, the tails of the rats).\u00a0 As mentioned before, if capitalized, this means “Frenchman.”\u00a0 as in “bair\u00e9ad an Fhrancaigh<\/strong>, the beret of the Frenchman” or “bair\u00e9id na bhFrancach<\/strong>, the berets of the Frenchmen.”\u00a0 To which I can only say, hmmm.<\/p>\n

b)) The second main way to say “rat” is based on the word for mouse, “luch<\/strong>” or “luch\u00f3g<\/strong>.”\u00a0 There are at least three variations: luch mh\u00f3r, luch fhrancach<\/strong>, and luch\u00f3g mh\u00f3r<\/strong>.\u00a0 Literal translations and some of their various inflections are given in the n\u00f3ta\u00ed<\/strong> at the end of this post. \u00a0The one variation that I haven’t seen anywhere, at least so far, is “luch\u00f3g<\/strong>” + “francach<\/strong>” (which would end up lenited as “fhrancach<\/strong>“).\u00a0 Presumably that’s just logical, since “luch\u00f3g<\/strong>” suggests “small” but rats are relatively large. \u00a0Anyway, if anyone spots this variation, I’d be glad to know.<\/p>\n

Two related words are “francaire<\/strong>” and “luchaire<\/strong>,” both meaning “rat-catcher.”\u00a0 The latter (“luchaire<\/strong>“) can also mean “mouse-catcher, mouser, or ratter.”\u00a0 Curious, because “mouser” sounds like a cat, to me, while “ratter” sounds like a dog.\u00a0 Unless, of course, the “ratter” is a person, in which case, it’s usually a “feallt\u00f3ir<\/strong>” (also betrayer or traitor) or a “loiceach<\/strong>” (also, a defaulter, or in politics <chuckle>, a scuttler).<\/p>\n

And now, a few more additional words from the text of “An P\u00edobaire Breac,” starting with Stanza 9:<\/p>\n

Stanza 9: ci\u00fanas<\/strong>, which may also be spelled “ci\u00faineas<\/strong>” elsewhere, quietness<\/p>\n

Stanza 10: Mar gheall ar an d\u00f3igh a mb\u00edm ag seinm<\/strong>, because of the way I play, or more literally “because of the way in which I am playing.”\u00a0 It’s a constant issue, in learning Irish, to decide if lenition or eclipsis follows the pre-verbal particle “a<\/strong>.”\u00a0 One way I like to think of it is, if you can say, “in which” (or “to which,” “at which,” “of which,” etc.), it’s most likely going to be eclipsis.\u00a0 In theory, the rules for this are clear-cut, delineating direct and indirect relative clauses (cf. Progress in Irish<\/em>, Ceachtanna 61 & 62, Cl\u00e1sail Choibhneasta, or Learning Irish<\/em>, Ceachtanna 13 & 18, or Gramadach gan Str\u00f3<\/em>, Aonad 16, among other textbook treatments of the topic).\u00a0 \u00a0But, in practice, I think that most people find that learning the rules and being able to apply them spontaneously in speech are quite different.<\/p>\n

Stanza 10: Lubliana, pr\u00edomhchathair na Sl\u00f3v\u00e9ine, go hoifigi\u00fail i nGaeilge “Li\u00faible\u00e1na agus <\/strong>“Ljubljana”<\/em> sa tSl\u00f3v\u00e9inis)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Stanza 10: earc<\/strong>, lizard (aka “laghairt<\/strong>” i nGaeilge<\/strong>) or reptile (aka reipt\u00edl<\/strong> OR uathph\u00e9ist i nGaeilge<\/strong>), and in various combinations, “newt” or “eft”<\/p>\n

Stanza 10: cruimh<\/strong>, maggot<\/p>\n

Stanza 10: sciath\u00e1n leathair<\/strong>, a bat, lit. leatherwing (which is sometimes also used in English)<\/p>\n

Bhuel<\/strong>, it looks like this blogpost will stretch into at least “cuid a tr\u00ed<\/strong>” since we’re not even halfway through yet.\u00a0 T\u00e1 s\u00fail agam go bhfuil t\u00fa ag baint suilt as seo agus m\u00e1s m\u00fainteoir th\u00fa, go bhfuil s\u00e9 \u00fas\u00e1ideach i rang.<\/strong><\/p>\n

BTW, some day maybe I’ll check the literal translations against Browning’s original English, but for right now, our goal is just to understand the Irish, inside and out, backwards and forwards, literally and, where applicable, figuratively, which is what I always strive for.\u00a0 Sometimes, though, of course, we can be satisfied just getting the gist (an<\/strong>\u00a0\u00e9irim, an bhr\u00ed<\/strong> or\u00a0an bun\u00fas<\/strong>) of the situation!\u00a0\u00a0SGF — R\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/strong><\/p>\n

N\u00f3ta\u00ed:<\/strong><\/p>\n

luch mh\u00f3r<\/strong> (lit. big mouse); an luch mh\u00f3r, na luiche m\u00f3ire, na lucha m\u00f3ra, na luch m\u00f3r<\/strong> (a great reinforcement of Progress in Irish<\/em>, Ceacht 68, D\u00edochlaonadh na hAidiachta<\/strong> [The Declension of Adjectives)<\/p>\n

luch fhrancach<\/strong> (lit. rat-mouse or French mouse, though the word is usually capitalized when it really means “French”); an luch fhrancach, na luiche franca\u00ed, na lucha francacha, na luch francach<\/strong><\/p>\n

luch\u00f3g mh\u00f3r<\/strong> (also means “big mouse,” but with the suffix “-\u00f3g<\/strong>,” which usually implies “young” or “little”); an luch\u00f3g mh\u00f3r, na luch\u00f3ige m\u00f3ire, na luch\u00f3ga m\u00f3ra, na luch\u00f3g m\u00f3r<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nasc<\/strong>: How to say \u2018rat\u2019 in Irish and an additional glossary for reading \u2018An P\u00edobaire Breac\u2019 (an t-aistri\u00fach\u00e1n le Se\u00e1n \u00d3 D\u00farois) (Cuid 1 as 4)<\/a>\u00a0<\/strong>Posted by\u00a0r\u00f3isl\u00edn<\/a>\u00a0on Sep 23, 2017 in\u00a0Irish Language<\/a><\/p>\n

Eolas foilseach\u00e1in<\/strong>: \u00d3 D\u00farois, Se\u00e1n.\u00a0 An P\u00edobaire Breac agus d\u00e1nta eile do ph\u00e1ist\u00ed<\/em>.\u00a0 Binn \u00c9adair, Baile \u00c1tha Cliath, 2004.\u00a0 Gan ISBN sa ch\u00f3ip at\u00e1 agamsa.\u00a0\u00a0I measc \u00e1iteanna eile t\u00e1 an leabhar ar f\u00e1il \u00f3<\/strong>\u00a0https:\/\/www.cic.ie\/books\/published-books\/an-piobaire-breac-danta-eile-do-phaisti-leabhair-cloite\u00a0agus<\/strong>\u00a0 https:\/\/www.litriocht.com\/product\/an-piobaire-breac-agus-danta-eile-do-phaisti\/<\/a>\u00a0agus<\/strong>\u00a0http:\/\/www.coisceim.ie\/2004.html<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\"\"

(le R\u00f3isl\u00edn) Today we’ll continue the glossary started in the previous blog (nasc th\u00edos) to help with reading “An P\u00edobaire Breac,” Se\u00e1n \u00d3 D\u00farois’s lively translation of Robert Browning’s “The Pied Piper of Hamelin” (Eolas foilseach\u00e1in th\u00edos). First a brief review from last time.\u00a0 There are two main ways to say “rat” in Irish, one…<\/p>\n

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