{"id":12222,"date":"2020-01-23T07:57:22","date_gmt":"2020-01-23T07:57:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/?p=12222"},"modified":"2020-01-28T15:22:11","modified_gmt":"2020-01-28T15:22:11","slug":"should-you-use-%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b6%d0%b5-or-%d1%82%d0%be%d0%b6%d0%b5-in-russian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/should-you-use-%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b6%d0%b5-or-%d1%82%d0%be%d0%b6%d0%b5-in-russian\/","title":{"rendered":"Should You Use \u0422\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 Or \u0422\u043e\u0436\u0435 in Russian?"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote><p>One of the questions that came up in the comments was the distinction between \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 and \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 in Russian. Both expressions can mean &#8220;also,&#8221; but they are not always interchangeable. This post will look at some common scenarios where you might use these phrases.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div id=\"attachment_12226\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12226\" class=\"size-large wp-image-12226\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"similar houses\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-350x197.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/houses-2048x1152.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-12226\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo by <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/@rossjoyner?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Ross Joyner<\/a> on <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/s\/photos\/similar?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Unsplash<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<h2>\u0422\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435<\/h2>\n<h3>\u0430 \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u2014 as well as<\/h3>\n<p>This usage is pretty straightforward. \u0410 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 adds another piece of information within the same sentence. Think of it as a fancy way of saying \u0438. It is not used to add a complete clause. Note that the expression is always <span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u0430<\/span> \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435, not <del>\u0438 \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435<\/del>.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u042d\u0442\u0430 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0433\u0440\u0430\u0301\u043c\u043c\u0430 \u043f\u0440\u0435\u0434\u043d\u0430\u0437\u043d\u0430\u0301\u0447\u0435\u043d\u0430 \u0434\u043b\u044f \u043c\u0430\u043b\u043e\u0438\u043c\u0443\u0301\u0449\u0438\u0445, \u0430 \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u0431\u0435\u0437\u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0301\u0442\u043d\u044b\u0445 (This programme is aimed at low-income people as well as the unemployed).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>\u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u2014 bookish way of introducing additional information about the same subject<\/h3>\n<p>\u0422\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 is a fairly formal way of giving additional information about the same person or thing.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u0421\u0432\u0435\u0442\u043b\u0430\u0301\u043d\u0430 \u0438\u043c\u0435\u0301\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0442\u0435\u0301\u043f\u0435\u043d\u044c \u0431\u0430\u043a\u0430\u043b\u0430\u0301\u0432\u0440\u0430 \u0432 \u043e\u0301\u0431\u043b\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0438 \u043c\u0435\u0436\u0434\u0443\u043d\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0301\u0434\u043d\u044b\u0445 \u043e\u0442\u043d\u043e\u0448\u0435\u0301\u043d\u0438\u0439. \u041e\u043d\u0430\u0301 \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u0438\u043c\u0435\u0301\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0442\u0435\u0301\u043f\u0435\u043d\u044c \u043c\u0430\u0433\u0438\u0301\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0430 \u044d\u043a\u043e\u043d\u043e\u0301\u043c\u0438\u043a\u0438. (Svetlana has a bachelor degree in international relations. She also has a master degree in economics.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Here&#8217;s both sentences are talking about Svetlana. We are adding more information about her. We cannot use <del>\u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435<\/del> in these cases. In informal speech, \u0435\u0449\u0451 may express the same idea. In writing, \u043a\u0440\u043e\u0301\u043c\u0435 \u0442\u043e\u0433\u043e\u0301 can be used. Both of these phrases come at the beginning of the sentence. The following sentences are equivalent to the second sentence in the example above:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u0415\u0449\u0451 \u043e\u043d\u0430\u0301 \u0438\u043c\u0435\u0301\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0442\u0435\u0301\u043f\u0435\u043d\u044c \u043c\u0430\u0433\u0438\u0301\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0430 \u044d\u043a\u043e\u043d\u043e\u0301\u043c\u0438\u043a\u0438.<\/li>\n<li>\u041a\u0440\u043e\u0301\u043c\u0435 \u0442\u043e\u0433\u043e\u0301, \u043e\u043d\u0430\u0301 \u0438\u043c\u0435\u0301\u0435\u0442 \u0441\u0442\u0435\u0301\u043f\u0435\u043d\u044c \u043c\u0430\u0433\u0438\u0301\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0430 \u044d\u043a\u043e\u043d\u043e\u0301\u043c\u0438\u043a\u0438.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u0422\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 should not be confused with \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435 (two words). \u0422\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435 means &#8220;to the same degree&#8221; or &#8220;in the same manner&#8221; and may be followed by adverbs of manner or intensity.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u041e\u043d\u0430\u0301 \u043e\u0434\u0435\u0301\u043b\u0430\u0441\u044c \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u044f (She dressed the same way as I did).<\/li>\n<li>\u042d\u0301\u0442\u0430 \u0444\u0438\u0301\u0440\u043c\u0430 \u043f\u043b\u0430\u0301\u0442\u0438\u0442 \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435 \u0445\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0448\u043e\u0301, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043a\u043e\u043d\u043a\u0443\u0440\u0435\u0301\u043d\u0442\u044b (This company pays as well as its competition).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div id=\"attachment_12227\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-12227\" class=\"size-large wp-image-12227\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-1024x685.jpg\" alt=\"similar bridesmaids' dresses\" width=\"1024\" height=\"685\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-1024x685.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-350x234.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-768x514.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-1536x1028.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-2048x1371.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-12227\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Photo by <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/@kmac3398?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Katelyn MacMillan<\/a> on <a href=\"https:\/\/unsplash.com\/s\/photos\/dresses?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText\">Unsplash<\/a><\/p><\/div>\n<h2>\u0422\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435<\/h2>\n<h3>\u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 \u2014 finding a point of similarity with a different subject<\/h3>\n<p>Here, instead of adding more information about the same person or thing, we are talking about a different person or thing that shares something with the first one.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u042f \u0436\u0438\u0432\u0443\u0301 \u0432 \u041c\u0438\u0301\u043d\u0441\u043a\u0435. \u041c\u043e\u044f\u0301 \u0441\u0435\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0430\u0301 \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 \u0436\u0438\u0432\u0451\u0442 \u0432 \u041c\u0438\u0301\u043d\u0441\u043a\u0435. (I live in Minsk. My sister lives in Minsk, too.)<\/li>\n<li>\u0422\u044b \u0433\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0440\u0438\u0301\u0448\u044c \u043f\u043e-\u0442\u0443\u0440\u0435\u0301\u0446\u043a\u0438. \u042f \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 \u0433\u043e\u0432\u043e\u0440\u044e\u0301 \u043f\u043e-\u0442\u0443\u0440\u0435\u0301\u0446\u043a\u0438. (You speak Turkish. I speak Turkish, too.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Note that in the examples above, perhaps confusingly, it <em>is<\/em> possible to use \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435 instead of \u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435. It would just sound a bit formal and stilted.<\/p>\n<p>What you cannot do is keep talking about the same thing\/person and use \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 to add more information: \u042f \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e \u044f\u0431\u043b\u043e\u043a\u0438. \u042f <del>\u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435<\/del> \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e \u0433\u0440\u0443\u0448\u0438. Some correct options for this idea are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u042f \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e\u0301 \u044f\u0301\u0431\u043b\u043e\u043a\u0438. \u042f \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e\u0301 \u0433\u0440\u0443\u0301\u0448\u0438. (I like apples. I also like pears. \u2014 a bit bookish)<\/li>\n<li>\u042f \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e\u0301 \u044f\u0301\u0431\u043b\u043e\u043a\u0438. \u0415\u0449\u0451 \u044f \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e\u0301 \u0433\u0440\u0443\u0301\u0448\u0438. (more conversational)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>To say, &#8220;me too&#8221; when you agree with something, you would use \u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u2014 \u041c\u043d\u0435 \u043d\u0440\u0430\u0301\u0432\u0438\u0442\u0441\u044f \u043e\u0301\u0441\u0435\u043d\u044c. \u2014 \u041c\u043d\u0435 \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435. (\u2014 I like autumn. \u2014 Me, too.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u0422\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 (one word) should be distinguished from \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435, an expression meaning &#8220;the same.&#8221; Sometimes you will see \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0430\u0301\u043c\u043e\u0435.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u042d\u0442\u043e \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435 \u043f\u043b\u0430\u0301\u0442\u044c\u0435, \u0432 \u043a\u043e\u0442\u043e\u0301\u0440\u043e\u043c \u043e\u043d\u0430\u0301 \u0445\u043e\u0301\u0434\u0438\u0442 \u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0301\u0442\u0443 (This is the same dress that she wears to work).<\/li>\n<li>\u041c\u043d\u0435 \u043d\u0430\u0434\u043e\u0435\u0301\u043b\u043e \u043a\u0430\u0301\u0436\u0434\u044b\u0439 \u0434\u0435\u043d\u044c \u0435\u0441\u0442\u044c \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435 \u0441\u0430\u0301\u043c\u043e\u0435 (I&#8217;m tired of eating the same thing every day).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I hope this post helped you get a better idea of how to use \u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435 and \u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435. Check out an <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/the-curious-case-of-confusing-russian-word\/\">earlier post<\/a> on the same subject, too!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<img width=\"350\" height=\"234\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-350x234.jpg\" class=\"attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"similar bridesmaids&#039; dresses\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-350x234.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-1024x685.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-768x514.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-1536x1028.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2020\/01\/dresses-2048x1371.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><p>One of the questions that came up in the comments was the distinction between \u0442\u043e\u0301\u0436\u0435 and \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 in Russian. Both expressions can mean &#8220;also,&#8221; but they are not always interchangeable. This post will look at some common scenarios where you might use these phrases. \u0422\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u0430 \u0442\u0430\u0301\u043a\u0436\u0435 \u2014 as well as This usage is pretty&hellip;<\/p>\n<p class=\"post-item__readmore\"><a class=\"btn btn--md\" href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/should-you-use-%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%ba%d0%b6%d0%b5-or-%d1%82%d0%be%d0%b6%d0%b5-in-russian\/\">Continue Reading<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":113,"featured_media":12227,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"content-type":""},"categories":[6],"tags":[113315,529259,529258],"class_list":["post-12222","post","type-post","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-grammar","tag-confusing-russian-grammar","tag-529259","tag-529258"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12222","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/113"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12222"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12222\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12235,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12222\/revisions\/12235"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/12227"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12222"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12222"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12222"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}