{"id":2372,"date":"2011-10-14T08:00:55","date_gmt":"2011-10-14T08:00:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/?p=2372"},"modified":"2011-10-14T04:09:11","modified_gmt":"2011-10-14T04:09:11","slug":"even-more-curious-%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%b6%d0%b5-and-%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%ba-%d0%b6%d0%b5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/even-more-curious-%d1%82%d0%be-%d0%b6%d0%b5-and-%d1%82%d0%b0%d0%ba-%d0%b6%d0%b5\/","title":{"rendered":"Even More Curious \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435 and \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Learning Russian can be frustrating. But in the end, it’s so worth it! \u00a0This photo, taking years ago in St. Petersburg, is not really related to anything in this post. But it’s good memories for me, so I thought I’d share.<\/em><\/p>\n

When it comes to me writing grammar posts, I either don\u2019t do them or do a few in a row.<\/p>\n

In my previous post I talked about when to use \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u0430<\/span>\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and I ended it with a trick question (which I really hoped more readers would try to tackle):<\/p>\n

What\u2019s wrong with grammar in this sentence \u00a0\u00ab\u042f<\/strong>\u00a0\u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e<\/strong>\u00a0\u0433\u0440\u0430\u043c\u043c\u0430\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0443<\/strong>\u00a0\u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435,<\/strong>\u00a0\u043a\u0430\u043a \u043c\u0430\u0442\u0435\u043c\u0430\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0443\u00bb<\/strong>\u00a0[I love grammar just as I love mathematics]?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

But before we discuss this sentence, let me ask you something else. We\u2019ve all heard that Wikipedia is full of factual errors. But have you ever come across a Wiki page with a big honking error on it? If not, then this hyperlink<\/a> is your chance.<\/p>\n

Wait, hold a sec. Isn\u2019t it the same exact page I linked to in my previous post, the page with a simple and clear rule for the use of \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u0430<\/span>\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong>?<\/p>\n

Yes, it is! It is the same page. Can you spot the error?<\/p>\n

Ok, so not to drag it out any further, here it is. Do you see the word \u201cadverb\u201d in big bold letters? Except that \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> as well as \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u0430<\/span>\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> isn\u2019t \u00ab<\/strong>\u043d\u0430\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u0447\u0438\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [adverb] at all! It\u2019s a \u00ab\u0441\u043e\u044e<\/span>\u0437\u00bb<\/strong> [conjunction].<\/p>\n

Why is it so critical, you ask? After all, the rule still works, right? Yes, the rule still works. But it works for conjunctions. It does not at all apply to adverbs \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u00bb<\/strong> and \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a\u00bb<\/strong> with the particle \u00ab<\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Yes, can you believe it? In Russian language there are two sets of these pesky words that sound exactly the same:<\/p>\n

\u00ab\u0421\u043e\u044e<\/span>\u0437\u044b\u00bb<\/strong> [Conjunctions] – \u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435, \u0442\u0430<\/span>\u043a\u0436\u0435<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00ab\u041d\u0430\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u0447\u0438\u044f \u0441 \u0447\u0430\u0441\u0442\u0438<\/span>\u0446\u0435\u0439 \u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [Adverbs with particle \u00ab\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong>] – \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435, \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435<\/strong><\/p>\n

So how do you tell these two apart? And when are you supposed to write them \u00ab<\/strong>\u0441\u043b\u0438<\/span>\u0442\u043d\u043e\u00bb<\/strong> [as one word] or \u00ab<\/strong>\u0440\u0430\u0437\u0434\u0435<\/span>\u043b\u044c\u043d\u043e\u00bb<\/strong> [as two words]?<\/p>\n

Remember Rule #2<\/span> from the previous post:<\/p>\n

When in doubt, simplify \u2013 replace with\u00a0\u00ab\u0438\u00bb<\/strong>\u00a0[and]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Turns out, this is also a handy way to check whether you are dealing with a conjunction or an adverb. If you can use \u00ab<\/strong>\u0438\u00bb<\/strong> in a sentence instead of \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435\u00bb <\/strong>or \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> without losing the original meaning, then you are dealing with a conjunction. Hence, write it as one word.<\/p>\n

If, on the other hand, the sentence becomes meaningless, then you are dealing with an adverb and a particle \u00ab<\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> which have to be written as two words.<\/p>\n

Example:<\/p>\n

\u00ab<\/strong>\u042f <\/strong>\u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435 <\/strong>\u0441\u043c\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u043b\u0430 <\/strong>\u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u00bb<\/strong> [I also watched TV] can easily become \u00ab<\/strong>\u0418 <\/strong>\u044f <\/strong>\u0441\u043c\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u043b\u0430 <\/strong>\u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u00bb<\/strong> [And I watched TV].<\/p>\n

Compare to this sentence:<\/p>\n

\u00ab\u041f\u043e \u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u0443 \u043f\u043e\u043a\u0430<\/span>\u0437\u044b\u0432\u0430\u044e\u0442 \u043e\u0434\u043d\u043e<\/span> \u0438 \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [Same old stuff is on the TV]. If you try to replace \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> with \u00ab<\/strong>\u0438\u00bb<\/strong> the sentence becomes meaningless.<\/p>\n

Another way of checking whether it is a conjunction or an adverb with a particle is to omit \u00ab<\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and see if the meaning is going to change (or, most likely, disappear).<\/p>\n

Example:<\/p>\n

\u00ab\u0421\u0435\u0433\u043e<\/span>\u0434\u043d\u044f \u043f\u043e \u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u0443 \u0442\u043e \u0436\u0435, \u0447\u0442\u043e \u0438 \u0432\u0447\u0435\u0440\u0430<\/span>\u00bb<\/strong> [Same stuff is on TV today as yesterday]. Skipping \u00ab<\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> leads to \u00ab<\/strong>\u0421\u0435\u0433\u043e<\/span>\u0434\u043d\u044f <\/strong>\u043f\u043e <\/strong>\u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u0443 <\/strong>\u0442\u043e, <\/strong>\u0447\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0438 <\/strong>\u0432\u0447\u0435\u0440\u0430<\/span>\u00bb<\/strong> [Same stuff is on TV today as yesterday]. Sounds just a bit awkward, but the meaning is preserved.<\/p>\n

Compare to<\/p>\n

\u00ab\u042f \u0442\u043e<\/span>\u0436\u0435 \u0441\u043c\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u043b\u0430 \u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u00bb<\/strong> [I also watched TV]. If we were to omit \u00ab<\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> in this case, it\u2019d become \u00ab<\/strong>\u042f <\/strong>\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0441\u043c\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u043b\u0430 <\/strong>\u0442\u0435\u043b\u0435\u0432\u0438<\/span>\u0437\u043e\u0440\u00bb<\/strong> which, depending on whether you place an emphasis on \u00ab<\/strong>\u044f\u00bb<\/strong> or on \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u00bb<\/strong> can mean either \u201cI did watch TV\u201d (emphasis on \u00ab<\/strong>\u044f\u00bb<\/strong>) or an unfinished \u201cSometimes I watched TV and sometimes I didn\u2019t\u201d (emphasis on \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u00bb<\/strong>).<\/p>\n

Fortunately you don\u2019t have to perform this type of analysis every time you need to make a choice between \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435\/<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\/<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong>. There are some helpful words that serve as indicators for using the latter and not the former. These words include \u00ab\u0441\u0430<\/span>\u043c\u043e\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [same], \u00ab\u0447\u0442\u043e\u00bb<\/strong> [what], \u00ab\u043a\u0430\u043a\u00bb<\/strong> [as].<\/p>\n

\u00ab<\/strong>\u0422\u043e <\/strong>\u0436\u0435 <\/strong>\u0441\u0430<\/span>\u043c\u043e\u0435 <\/strong>\u043a\u0438\u043d\u043e<\/span> <\/strong>\u0438\u0434\u0451<\/span>\u0442 <\/strong>\u0432 <\/strong>\u0441\u043e\u0441\u0435<\/span>\u0434\u043d\u0435\u043c <\/strong>\u043a\u0438\u043d\u043e\u0442\u0435\u0430<\/span>\u0442\u0440\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [The same movie is playing in the nearby movie theater]<\/p>\n

\u00ab<\/strong>\u041e\u043d\u0430<\/span> <\/strong>\u0432\u0441\u0435\u0433\u0434\u0430<\/span> <\/strong>\u0441\u043e\u0433\u043b\u0430\u0448\u0430<\/span>\u0435\u0442\u0441\u044f <\/strong>\u0441\u043c\u043e\u0442\u0440\u0435<\/span>\u0442\u044c <\/strong>\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0436\u0435 <\/strong>\u043a\u0438\u043d\u043e<\/span>, <\/strong>\u0447\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0438 <\/strong>\u043e\u043d\u00bb<\/strong> [She always agrees to watch the same movie as he watches]<\/p>\n

\u00ab\u042f \u043b\u044e\u0431\u043b\u044e<\/span> \u0433\u0440\u0430\u043c\u043c\u0430<\/span>\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0443 \u0442\u0430\u043a \u0436\u0435, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0438 \u043c\u0430\u0442\u0435\u043c\u0430<\/span>\u0442\u0438\u043a\u0443\u00bb<\/strong> [I love grammar as much as mathematics].<\/p>\n

I hope this has been helpful and not at all intimidating. But if you feel a bit dizzy from all this, here\u2019s some encouragement. Don\u2019t let this particular sticky grammar point stop you from speaking Russian! The difference becomes critical in writing and reading, not in speaking. After all, in spoken language both \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e\u0436\u0435\/<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> and \u00ab<\/strong>\u0442\u043e <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\/<\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> sound \u00ab<\/strong>\u0430\u0431\u0441\u043e\u043b\u044e<\/span>\u0442\u043d\u043e <\/strong>\u0442\u0430\u043a <\/strong>\u0436\u0435\u00bb<\/strong> [absolutely the same]!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"\"\"

Learning Russian can be frustrating. But in the end, it’s so worth it! \u00a0This photo, taking years ago in St. Petersburg, is not really related to anything in this post. But it’s good memories for me, so I thought I’d share. When it comes to me writing grammar posts, I either don\u2019t do them or…<\/p>\n

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