{"id":9732,"date":"2017-01-25T07:53:49","date_gmt":"2017-01-25T07:53:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/?p=9732"},"modified":"2017-02-01T14:25:56","modified_gmt":"2017-02-01T14:25:56","slug":"%d0%b2-or-%d0%bd%d0%b0-with-places-and-events-in-russian-part-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/%d0%b2-or-%d0%bd%d0%b0-with-places-and-events-in-russian-part-i\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;\u0412&#8221; or &#8220;\u043d\u0430&#8221; with Places and Events in Russian \u2014 Part I"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Phrases with prepositions to refer to a place or event are fairly frequent in all levels of Russian. At the same time, these structures are not quite regular, which can be frustrating even for experienced learners. Many cases are determined by convention more than logic, but we&#8217;ll try to group these expressions according to the scenarios they refer to.<\/p>\n<h1>Daily Activities With \u041d\u0430<\/h1>\n<div id=\"attachment_9745\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9745\" class=\"size-large wp-image-9745\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/student-849825_1280-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"person's hands on a laptop\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/student-849825_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/student-849825_1280-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/student-849825_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/student-849825_1280.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9745\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image from Pixabay<\/p><\/div>\n<p>A lot of what I would call day-to-day main activities is used with \u043d\u0430 (&#8220;on&#8221;). The form in the accusative case indicates a destination (&#8220;\u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u043e<\/span>\u0442\u0443&#8221;), and the prepositional case is used for location (&#8220;\u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u043e<\/span>\u0442\u0435&#8221;). This post will list the prepositional form, but remember to use the accusative form for going places.<\/p>\n<p>Some examples of this usage include:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u043e<\/span>\u0442\u0435:\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;at work&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u041d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0301\u0442\u0443 \u0438 \u0441 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0301\u0442\u044b \u0432\u0441\u0435\u0433\u0434\u0430\u0301 \u043f\u0435\u0448\u043a\u043e\u0301\u043c.<br \/>\n(I always walked to and from work.)<br \/>\n[\u0418. \u0413\u0440\u0435\u043a\u043e\u0432\u0430. \u041f\u0435\u0440\u0435\u043b\u043e\u043c (1987)]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u043d\u0430 \u0443\u0447\u0451\u0431\u0435:\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;in school&#8221; as used in US English; this refers to the process of studying rather than a specific educational institution<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u041d\u0430 \u0447\u0430\u0441\u0430\u0301\u0445 \u0440\u043e\u0301\u0432\u043d\u043e \u0442\u0440\u0438, \u0432 \u044d\u0301\u0442\u043e \u0432\u0440\u0435\u0301\u043c\u044f \u043b\u044e\u0301\u0434\u0438, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u043f\u0440\u0430\u0301\u0432\u0438\u043b\u043e, \u043b\u0438\u0301\u0431\u043e \u043d\u0430 \u0440\u0430\u0431\u043e\u0301\u0442\u0435, \u043b\u0438\u0301\u0431\u043e \u043d\u0430 \u0443\u0447\u0451\u0431\u0435.<br \/>\n(It&#8217;s three o&#8217;clock; people are usually either at work or in school at that time.)<br \/>\n[\u0414\u0430\u0440\u044c\u044f \u0414\u043e\u043d\u0446\u043e\u0432\u0430. \u041c\u0438\u043a\u0441\u0442\u0443\u0440\u0430 \u043e\u0442 \u043a\u043e\u0441\u043e\u0433\u043b\u0430\u0437\u0438\u044f (2003)]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u043d\u0430 \u0441\u043b<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0443<\/span>\u0436\u0431\u0435:\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;serving&#8221; (military or public service)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u041e\u0442\u0435\u0301\u0446 \u0431\u044b\u043b \u0432\u043e\u0435\u0301\u043d\u043d\u044b\u043c \u0438 \u0447\u0430\u0301\u0441\u0442\u043e \u0441\u0443\u0301\u0442\u043a\u0430\u043c\u0438 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u043f\u0430\u0434\u0430\u0301\u043b \u043d\u0430 \u0441\u043b\u0443\u0301\u0436\u0431\u0435.<br \/>\n(My father was a military man and often was on duty for days on end.)<br \/>\n[\u0410\u043b\u0435\u043a\u0441\u0430\u043d\u0434\u0440 \u0427\u0443\u0434\u043e\u0434\u0435\u0435\u0432. \u0420\u0430\u0441\u043f\u0438\u0441\u0430\u043d\u0438\u0435 \u043d\u0430 \u0437\u0430\u0432\u0442\u0440\u0430 (2003) \/\/ \u00ab\u0418\u0442\u043e\u0433\u0438\u00bb, 2003.02.04]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h1>Institutions With \u0412<\/h1>\n<div id=\"attachment_9746\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9746\" class=\"size-large wp-image-9746\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/clothes-1839935_1280-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"clothing store\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/clothes-1839935_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/clothes-1839935_1280-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/clothes-1839935_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/clothes-1839935_1280.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9746\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image from Pixabay<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Several common institutions in Russian are used with \u0432. It may help you to think of this as being inside the corresponding building. However, do not rely on that interpretation too much because, as you will see below, some institutions are used with \u043d\u0430.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u0432 \u0443\u043d\u0438\u0432\u0435\u0440\u0441\u0438\u0442<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0435<\/span>\u0442\u0435 (\u0432 \u0438\u043d\u0441\u0442\u0438\u0442<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0443<\/span>\u0442\u0435, \u0432 \u0448\u043a<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u043e<\/span>\u043b\u0435):\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;in university, in college, in (primary\/secondary) school&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u0421\u043a\u043e\u0301\u043b\u044c\u043a\u043e \u043b\u0435\u0442, \u043a\u0430\u043a \u0442\u044b \u0432 \u0443\u043d\u0438\u0432\u0435\u0440\u0441\u0438\u0442\u0435\u0301\u0442\u0435 \u0443\u0301\u0447\u0438\u0448\u044c\u0441\u044f?<br \/>\n(How long have you studied in university?)<br \/>\n[\u0410. \u041f. \u0427\u0435\u0445\u043e\u0432. \u0412\u0438\u0448\u043d\u0435\u0432\u044b\u0439 \u0441\u0430\u0434 (1904)]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u0432 \u043c\u0430\u0433\u0430\u0437<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0438<\/span>\u043d\u0435:\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;in a shop\/store&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u041a\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0301\u0431\u043a\u0438 \u043c\u044b \u0441 \u043f\u0430\u0301\u043f\u043e\u0439 \u043a\u0443\u043f\u0438\u0301\u043b\u0438 \u0432 \u043c\u0430\u0433\u0430\u0437\u0438\u0301\u043d\u0435.<br \/>\n(Dad and I bought the boxes in a shop.)<br \/>\n[\u041e\u043b\u0435\u0433 \u041a\u0443\u0440\u0433\u0443\u0437\u043e\u0432. \u041f\u0440\u043e\u0435\u0437\u0434\u043e\u043c \u0438\u0437 \u041b\u043e\u043d\u0434\u043e\u043d\u0430 \u0432 \u041f\u0430\u0440\u0438\u0436 \/\/ \u00ab\u0422\u0440\u0430\u043c\u0432\u0430\u0439\u00bb, 1990]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u0432 \u0431\u043e\u043b\u044c\u043d<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0438<\/span>\u0446\u0435 (\u0432 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0438\u043a\u043b<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0438<\/span>\u043d\u0438\u043a\u0435):\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;in (the) hospital\/clinic&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u0422\u0430\u043a \u044f \u0435\u043c\u0443\u0301 \u043f\u043e\u0441\u043e\u0432\u0435\u0301\u0442\u043e\u0432\u0430\u043b\u0430 \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0439\u0442\u0438\u0301 \u0432 \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0438\u043a\u043b\u0438\u0301\u043d\u0438\u043a\u0443 \u0438 \u043e\u0431\u0440\u0430\u0442\u0438\u0301\u0442\u044c\u0441\u044f \u043a \u0441\u0432\u043e\u0435\u043c\u0443\u0301 \u0434\u043e\u0301\u043a\u0442\u043e\u0440\u0443.<br \/>\n(So I advised him to come to the clinic and see his doctor.)<br \/>\n[\u0410\u043d\u043d\u0430 \u041c\u0435\u043b\u044c\u043d\u0438\u043a\u043e\u0432\u0430. \u041f\u0440\u0438\u0451\u043c, \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0451\u043c. \u041a\u0430\u043a \u043f\u043e\u043d\u044f\u043b\u0438? (\u043a\u043e\u043c\u0438\u043a\u0441) (2013.04.01) \/\/ \u00ab\u041d\u043e\u0432\u0433\u043e\u0440\u043e\u0434\u0441\u043a\u0438\u0435 \u0432\u0435\u0434\u043e\u043c\u043e\u0441\u0442\u0438\u00bb, 2013]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<h1>Institutions With \u041d\u0430<\/h1>\n<div id=\"attachment_9747\" style=\"width: 1034px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone post-item__attachment\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9747\" class=\"size-large wp-image-9747\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"Prague train station and railyard\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9747\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Image from Pixabay<\/p><\/div>\n<p>As I said above, the tricky part is that there are institutions that use \u043d\u0430 despite their similarity to the group above.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u043d\u0430 \u043f<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u043e<\/span>\u0447\u0442\u0435:\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;at the post office&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u0415\u0301\u0441\u043b\u0438 \u0432\u044b \u0445\u043e\u0442\u0438\u0301\u0442\u0435 \u0433\u0430\u0440\u0430\u043d\u0442\u0438\u0301\u0440\u043e\u0432\u0430\u043d\u043d\u043e \u043f\u043e\u043b\u0443\u0447\u0430\u0301\u0442\u044c \u0436\u0443\u0440\u043d\u0430\u0301\u043b, \u0442\u043e \u0432\u0430\u043c \u043f\u0440\u0438\u0434\u0451\u0442\u0441\u044f \u0445\u043e\u0434\u0438\u0301\u0442\u044c \u0437\u0430 \u043d\u0438\u043c \u043d\u0430 \u043f\u043e\u0301\u0447\u0442\u0443.<br \/>\n(If you want to make sure you get the magazine, you&#8217;ll have to go to the post office to pick it up.)<br \/>\n[\u041c\u0438\u0445\u0430\u0438\u043b \u0413\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0432\u0443\u0448\u043a\u0438\u043d. \u041d\u0435 \u043c\u043e\u0436\u0435\u043c \u0441\u0435\u0431\u0435 \u043f\u043e\u0437\u0432\u043e\u043b\u0438\u0442\u044c \u0442\u0435\u0440\u043f\u0435\u0442\u044c \u0443\u0431\u044b\u0442\u043a\u0438 \u0441\u043b\u0438\u0448\u043a\u043e\u043c \u0434\u043e\u043b\u0433\u043e (2003) \/\/ \u00ab\u0420\u0435\u043a\u043b\u0430\u043c\u043d\u044b\u0439 \u043c\u0438\u0440\u00bb, 2003.04.28]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>\u043d\u0430 \u0441\u0442<span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">\u0430<\/span>\u043d\u0446\u0438\u0438 (\u043d\u0430 \u043e\u0441\u0442\u0430\u043d\u043e\u0432\u043a\u0435, \u043d\u0430 \u0432\u043e\u043a\u0437\u0430\u043b\u0435):\u00a0<\/strong>&#8220;at the station, at the stop, at the railroad station&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote><p>\u0412 \u043f\u0440\u043e\u0301\u0448\u043b\u044b\u0439 \u0440\u0430\u0437 \u043e\u043d \u0432\u0441\u0442\u0440\u0435\u0447\u0430\u0301\u043b \u043c\u0435\u043d\u044f\u0301 \u043d\u0430 \u0432\u043e\u043a\u0437\u0430\u0301\u043b\u0435.<br \/>\n(Last time he picked me up at the train station.)<br \/>\n[\u0410\u043d\u0434\u0440\u0435\u0439 \u0412\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0441. \u041d\u0435\u0434\u0432\u0438\u0436\u0438\u043c\u043e\u0441\u0442\u044c (2000) \/\/ \u00ab\u041d\u043e\u0432\u044b\u0439 \u041c\u0438\u0440\u00bb, 2001]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>We will continue this discussion <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/%d0%b2-or-%d0%bd%d0%b0-with-places-and-events-in-russian-part-ii\/\">next time;<\/a> in the meantime check out this <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/perplexing-prepostions-when-to-say-%c2%ab%d0%b2%c2%bb-and-when-to-say-%c2%ab%d0%bd%d0%b0%c2%bb\/\">earlier post<\/a> on the same subject.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<img width=\"350\" height=\"233\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-350x233.jpg\" class=\"attachment-post-thumbnail size-post-thumbnail wp-post-image\" alt=\"Prague train station and railyard\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.transparent.com\/russian\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/10\/2017\/01\/prague-743142_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, 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